Talk:Pomeroy Green

Conflict of interest

This article was created while the editor was partially blocked for WP:COI. The sources here appear to be completely neutral.--AntientNestor (talk) 14:32, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

Paraphrasing

Earwig's Copyvio Detector comes in at 22.5% as violation unlikely. Common phrases like "National Register of Historic Places," "Pomeroy Avenue and Benton Street," "city of Santa Clara," and "Community Planning and Development" are being flagged as the same in the article as in the source. Since these words are commonly used words, I do not think it copyright or paraphrasing issue. Greg Henderson (talk) 15:40, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

I concur. As AFC reviewer I checked the similarities highlighted by Earwig and found no copyright violation. AntientNestor (talk) 20:35, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

Greghenderson2006, as has been pointed out to you by other editors (including by @Bonadea: very recently), copyright violations detected by earwig are not the same as close paraphrasing. Here are just two examples

• you included this sentence: "Consisting of sixteen multifamily buildings featuring diverse layouts, with each building accommodating a range of two-story townhouses, alongside a clubhouse set within meticulously landscaped surroundings", cited solely to the registration form for historical status, which reads "The district includes sixteen multifamily buildings of varied configurations ranging from two to eight two-story townhouses per building and a clubhouse set in extensively landscaped grounds."
• You also included this entire paragraph: "The buildings are strategically oriented along a north-south or east-west orientation, designed to surround motor courts, parking lots, or communal spaces. Constructed with concrete block walls and post-and-beam structures, they allow for extensive glass windows and sliding doors at both the front and rear of each townhouse. Wood siding and stucco panels adorn the exterior walls. Uniform in size, each townhouse within a building mirror its adjacent neighbor. Minor alterations have been made over time, such as the replacement of doors and windows, installation of fireplaces, and the addition of extra parking spaces. Overall, the district is well-maintained and preserves its historical integrity"
• The (same) source reads: "Buildings are oriented on a north-south or east-west axis, and arranged in a manner to enclose motor courts, parking lots, or social spaces. Buildings are constructed of concrete masonry unit walls and post and beam construction, allowing the fronts and backs of each townhouse to feature large expanses of glass windows and sliding glass doors. Wood siding and panels of stucco are also used on the exterior walls. Townhouses are all the same size, and each successive townhouse in a building is a mirror image of its adjacent neighbor. Only small changes have been made to its design and materials, including replacement of some doors and windows, and addition of some fireplaces and additional parking. The district is in good condition and retains historic integrity.

Do you not think this is WP:CLOSEPARAPHRASING? All you are doing is taking entire slabs of text from the source (which, I would propose, is not itself neutral giving it is the application form written by those seeking historical status for the building), maintaining its structure, order, and point of view, and replacing enough words with synonyms to avoid the copyright filter. Melcous (talk) 22:09, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

I've used Earwig's Copyvio Detector to avoid copyright violations. Now, you are concerned about close paraphrasing. To address this, I summarize source material in my own words and add inline citations as required by the sourcing policy. I will strive to improve this further. Greg Henderson (talk) 22:33, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

Greghenderson2006, the fact that you are using Earwig on your own editing, particularly given how long you have been editing here, is a competency concern. It is a tool usually used to check edits made by others, and running your own edits through it suggests an awareness that you tend to use sources in a way that skirts the line. I would also note that I am not "now" concerned about close paraphrasing - this has always been an issue, and has been pointed out to you before. Your proposed edits below do little to address the issue as they still maintain the structure and point of view of the source. This is replicated across many articles you have created, and just because an AFC reviewer does not pick up on does not make it ok, nor does it mean your articles have passed some kind of "peer review" as you have claimed elsewhere. Melcous (talk) 01:11, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

I apreciate your feedback and concerns. I understand that using Earwig's Copyvio Detector on my own edits may raise questions about my editing practices. While I aim to paraphrase and summarize information in my own words, I acknowledge that there may be instances where the structure and perspective of the source are inadvertently maintained. I will do my best to resolve this issue now that you have brought this to my attention. I think it is important to remember that I am volunteering my time to write these articles and helping to expand the scope of Wikipedia. I will certainly check my work to avoid any close paragphrasing. Greg Henderson (talk) 01:56, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

Greg, we are all volunteering our time here, and many editors have volunteered many hours to try to mentor and coach you, and spent huge volunteer hours discussing issues with you and tidying up problems in articles you have created. No one is asking you to create all these marginally notable and poorly copied articles - you can just step away at any time. May I ask, did you use AI again to write your response above? It certainly reads like it. Melcous (talk) 02:08, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

Not sure why you are so critical of my works, by saying "marginally notable and poorly copied articles." This sounds very subjective. I would think a Wikipedia editor would want encourage other editors and support them in their articles not be so combative and sometimes hurtful in your accusations. Greg Henderson (talk) 02:38, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

The response "I apreciate your feedback and concerns..." posted by Greg on 01:56, 11 June 2024 (UTC) comes up as 91% AI. Majority of your community interaction comes up as 90%+ AI on GPTMe and just as reference, when I run other people's comments through it, usually they're in single digit %. NY Post isn't a RS for articles, however the source in which it cites here looks good. News Media Alliance says: AI chatbots produce “unauthorized derivative works by responding to user queries with close paraphrasing or outright repetition of copied and memorized portions of the works on which they were trained. from: https://nypost.com/2023/11/01/business/ai-chatbots-creating-plagiarism-stew-news-media-alliance/ I feel there's good circumstantial evidence of extensive AI usage. Graywalls (talk) 18:48, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

I ran the above through another AI sector and came back as "Passes as Human!" Perhaps your tool does a better job! One of my goals is to not use AI to generate text. Greg Henderson (talk) 20:25, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

Edot Reqiest - close paraphrasing

Changed text to avoid close paraphrasing:

• Paragraph One:
• "Consisting of sixteen multifamily buildings featuring diverse layouts, with each building accommodating a range of two-story townhouses, alongside a clubhouse set within landscaped surroundings. The initial design of both site plans and residences was spearheaded by architect Claude Oakland, in collaboration with landscape architects from Sasaki, Walker and Associates"
  • To: "The development includes sixteen multifamily buildings with various layouts, each containing multiple two-story townhouses. Additionally, there is a clubhouse and pool. Architect Claude Oakland led the initial design of both the site plans and residences, working alongside landscape architects from Sasaki, Walker, and Associates."
• Paragraph Two:

"Buildings are oriented on a north-south or east-west axis, and arranged in a manner to enclose motor courts, parking lots, or social spaces. Buildings are constructed of concrete masonry unit walls and post and beam construction, allowing the fronts and backs of each townhouse to feature large expanses of glass windows and sliding glass doors. Wood siding and panels of stucco are also used on the exterior walls. Townhouses are all the same size, and each successive townhouse in a building is a mirror image of its adjacent neighbor. Only small changes have been made to its design and materials, including replacement of some doors and windows, and addition of some fireplaces and additional parking. The district is in good condition and retains historic integrity."

• • To: "The buildings are arranged to create enclosed car courtyards, parking lots, or communal areas. Constructed using concrete masonry unit walls and post-and-beam methods, the design allows for large glass windows and sliding glass doors at the front and back of each townhouse. The exterior walls also feature wood siding and stucco panels. All townhouses are uniform in size, with each unit being a mirror image of its neighbor. Only minor modifications, such as replacing some doors and windows and adding fireplaces and extra parking, have been made to the design and materials."

Greg Henderson (talk) 22:50, 10 June 2024 (UTC)