Talk:Political music in China

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Merge?

• Merge page Guoyue to page Political musics in China? See discussion in Talk:Guoyue. There is suggestion to redirect Guoyue to Traditional Chinese music. Anthony Appleyard (talk) 14:55, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

• This merge proposal is absolutely wrong and completely misguided because guoyue is not an overtly political music (although its creation and promulgation have undoubtedly had political and propagandistic aspects). In fact, guoyue is primarily instrumental. Overtly political music in China comprises other genres than guoyue. Regarding a merge in the first place, as the most prevalent musical style for Chinese instruments promulgated through official state channels in the People's Republic of China (via China's conservatories official state media, the China Record Corporation, etc., this genre certainly merits its own article. Badagnani (talk) 15:47, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

• The Chinese National Music article should not even exist. Is just a very vague and unreferenced summary of music made by Traditional Chinese musical instruments. That one should be deleted to avoid confusion. Guoyue and Political musics in China can be same or different. Right now they both are copies of the same article. That should be fixed. Benjwong (talk) 04:32, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

• Comment - Who created an article on "Chinese National Music"? That is inappropriate since that is a literal translation from the Chinese, which is not used in English. The term guoyue, on the other hand, is well understood (as the primary form of music for traditional Chinese instruments promoted, taught, and performed in mainland China since 1949), and the term guoyue is used in the English-language literature. Badagnani (talk) 15:08, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

Reversion

Please do not insistently revert in a mistaken fashion, as in this edit. Guoyue is not overtly political and a large amount of political music in China is not guoyue (i.e., performed on traditional or modernized traditional instruments), as mentioned in my last edit summary. However, you simply went ahead and repeated your revert. That was incorrect, and should be reversed promptly. Thank you for this, Badagnani (talk) 04:06, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

The articles are exact copies of each other. And must you always use such words such as "insistent" and "mistaken"? They're offensive, and clearly not adding anything to this discussion. I'm clearly right; articles that are clones of each other should be speedied or redirected to the "main" page. GraYoshi2x►^talk 16:42, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

GraYoshi... don't you know this is the wrong way to do it? If you revert him, and say in the edit summary, "can't someone do anything about this," then you're edit-warring. Never edit-war; it'll undermine your own possibility for success. Just file a request for a third opinion (WP:3O). If that fails, ask at a relevant WikiProject, and/or do a content RFC. If Badagnani is still reverting after a clear consensus is shown against his edit, then we can quite easily do something.

Right now it's just "he said/she said," and what can I do? I don't know anything about Guoyue! Right now, I see two people willing to repeatedly revert. Shall I block you both? C'mon, get smart about this. -GTBacchus^(talk) 05:13, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

Political music in China, while this article certainly does need work, should certainly not be redirected to Guoyue because those two things are not the same. Guoyue is a form of modernized traditional music, often for large orchestras of modernized traditional Chinese instruments. It is often nationalistic and also frequently propagandistic, as it has been adopted wholeheartedly by the PRC establishment and media to promote its aims and ideals. On the other hand, political music in China has taken many other non-guoyue forms, including a great deal composed for orchestras of entirely Western instruments. This has been covered at some length at the discussion page, which should have been read carefully and discussion engaged in lieu of a campaign of insistent reversion, mistakenly redirecting Political music in China to Guoyue again and again. Badagnani (talk) 06:39, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

Regarding insistent reversion, mentioned a couple of posts above (as well as WP:STALK), if you're interested in further examples, simply see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/GraYoshi2x . There are dozens just in a single day, with nearly 90 days of this editor editing almost entirely articles I've focused on, never in a sense of collegial collaboration but always in an effort to undo or remove my contributions. This is against WP policy but nothing has been done about it in nearly 3 straight months. Badagnani (talk) 06:42, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

I'm not interested in further examples. I'm interested in seeing editors resolve conflicts, rather than prolong them. I'm interested in seeing people rise above the accusations and counter-accusations. Are you going to do that, or haven't you learned? On which discussion page is this question "covered at length"? Where can I look to determine consensus? -GTBacchus^(talk) 12:35, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

Unmerged

The content of these two pages are different now, they are separate topics and should not have been merged. Hzh (talk) 12:47, 7 November 2013 (UTC)