Talk:Poker Joe

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This article was the subject of a Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment, between 25 September 2019 and 18 December 2019. Further details are available on the course page. Student editor(s): MClevinger, CheyChristensen, Blucas850, Greenleaf88.

Above undated message substituted from Template:Dashboard.wikiedu.org assignment by PrimeBOT (talk) 02:27, 18 January 2022 (UTC)

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I would like to set the record straight. I read your article titled Poker Joe, many facts are missing. If you read my 'about me' you will get the point. I would like to see some changes made here for the sake of honoring truth. There are documents available and history needs to be corrected, they is why books and here say is always faulty.

If you have further questions please feel free to contact me at: longgonedawn2001@yahoo.com

Thank you for your time.

Wow, thats cool, you are Poker Joe? Since he has been dead since 1877, that means you are a ghost. Anybody can edit Wikipedia even ghosts. So feel free to make changes. 7mike5000 (talk) 20:45, 29 May 2012 (UTC)

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OSU group, I just added a section called "Removal by Council." Let me know what you think.Greenleaf88 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 03:42, 14 November 2019 (UTC)

Just added two new sections--==Lean Elk becomes head of Nez Perce Tribe, and Battle of Big Hole.Greenleaf88 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 06:32, 14 November 2019 (UTC)

Replace or incorporate the Remove by Council text

@Greenleaf88 I appreciate the addition of the Removal by Council heading and your contribution to it. I would like to propose that we use what I have here because it puts more emphasis on Poker Joe. Maybe we can incorporate both into one. My suggestion is:

Poker Joe pushed the Nez Perce at a hurried pace trying to get them to safety in Canada. Many Nez Perce were growing weary and tired and thought they should slow the pace. After a special council was held, Nez Perce leader Looking Glass took over as leader and would continue the Nez Perce push to safety at a much slower pace. Poker Joe reluctantly relinquished his leadership role, fearing they would be caught and killed by the soldiers that were pursuing them.

The current source reference citation is correct and need not be altered. Matthew Clevinger 20:23, 14 November 2019 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by MClevinger (talk • contribs)

Wiki already has a dedicated Battle of Big Hole page.

Wikipedia already has a page devoted to Battle of the Big Hole. I don't think there is much to add that is not already mentioned on the Wiki page. I suggest we create a short paraphrase of the wiki https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_the_Big_Hole and add the link to that wiki page as above.

Matthew Clevinger 21:39, 14 November 2019 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by MClevinger (talk • contribs)

I will work on a paraphrase of the Wiki Big Hole page and then make sure we have the link to the Big Hole Wiki. I will see what I come up with and let you know.

Matthew Clevinger 04:54, 15 November 2019 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by MClevinger (talk • contribs)

Edit section title - Lean Elk becomes head of Nez Perce Tribe

Hello everyone. This page is about Poker Joe and I suggest the section header be changed to reflect this. I propose changing it to read 'Poker Joe' becomes head of Nez Perce Tribe.

Caution needs to be taken here as Poker Joe never becomes chief, that distinction always and clearly is Chief Joseph. Poker Joe is a sub chief/war chief. I only recommend caution so as this does not get Wiki flagged and removed because of an inadvertent reference to Poker Joe (Lean Elk) being the Nez Perce chieftain.

Let me know what you think.

Matthew Clevinger 21:57, 14 November 2019 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by MClevinger (talk • contribs)

I changed Lean Elk becomes head of Nez Perce Tribe to Poker Joe becomes head of Nez Perce Tribe since this page is about Poker Joe. — Preceding unsigned comment added by MClevinger (talk • contribs) 04:45, 15 November 2019 (UTC)

Initial involvement in Nez Perce war minor change

I suggest changing this "as the Nez Perce's commander in it" to read simply "as the Nez Perce's leader" (without the italics of course)
Matthew Clevinger 00:38, 18 November 2019 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by MClevinger (talk • contribs)

Made the changeMatthew Clevinger 02:35, 18 November 2019 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by MClevinger (talk • contribs)

Lean Elk becomes head of Nez Perce Tribe

Since the article's focus is on "Poker Joe". I suggest we change Lean Elk in the section header to "Poker Joe".
Matthew Clevinger 00:42, 18 November 2019 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by MClevinger (talk • contribs)

I made the change. Matthew Clevinger 02:36, 18 November 2019 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by MClevinger (talk • contribs)

I changed U.S. army to read U.S. Army and added link.
Matthew Clevinger 00:49, 18 November 2019 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by MClevinger (talk • contribs)

Added link to country Canada
Matthew Clevinger 00:52, 18 November 2019 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by MClevinger (talk • contribs)

Capitalized the c in Chief and and added link to Chief Looking Glass
Matthew Clevinger 00:58, 18 November 2019 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by MClevinger (talk • contribs)

Added link to Cow Island, Montana
Matthew Clevinger 01:03, 18 November 2019 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by MClevinger (talk • contribs)

Removal from Leadership

Capitalized word North

Matthew Clevinger 01:06, 18 November 2019 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by MClevinger (talk • contribs)

Death of Poker Joe

corrected misspelling of the word mistakenly (mistakingly)

Matthew Clevinger 01:10, 18 November 2019 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by MClevinger (talk • contribs)

This is what is written now.
Poker Joe was mistakenly killed during the Battle of Bear Paw in 1877 by Ockia--a member of the Nez Percè. The battle of Bear Paw took place about 40 miles from the Canadian border where the Nez Percè battled Colonel Nelson Miles and his troops. Poker Joe was mistaken for an enemy and killed by accident during the battle.[9]

Can I suggest we make a minor change so it reads the following?

Mistaken for a Cheyenne scout, Poker Joe was accidentally killed by a fellow Nez Perce during the Battle of Bear Paw in 1877. The battle of Bear Paw took place about 40 miles from the Canadian border where the Nez Percè battled Colonel Nelson Miles and his troops.

Matthew Clevinger 01:19, 18 November 2019 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by MClevinger (talk • contribs)

I made the cahange Matthew Clevinger 02:41, 18 November 2019 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by MClevinger (talk • contribs)

Added link to Colonel Miles

Matthew Clevinger 01:22, 18 November 2019 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by MClevinger (talk • contribs)

Corrected the referenced book Beyond Bear’s Paw: The Nez Perce Indians in Canada. University of Oklahoma Press, 2010.

Matthew Clevinger 01:47, 18 November 2019 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by MClevinger (talk • contribs)

Removal of Stub

Removed the STUB status — Preceding unsigned comment added by MClevinger (talk • contribs) 02:53, 18 November 2019 (UTC)

Death of Poker Joe

Correction - all of this information is completely incorrect! Poker joe did not die in battle- he succeeded in his quest to lead a small group of women and children to safety in Canada. They were welcomed into the Blackfoot nation Piegan. Poker joe was given the name Sowo “Warrior” by the Blackfoot people - a name that still exists and carried by his descendants. He married a Blackfoot woman and had children. Poker joe and his sons did return to the Nez Perce once to visit. White bird and a few other nez perce exiles joined poker joe in later years. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Phoenix stardansar (talk • contribs) 01:40, 5 December 2019 (UTC)

Unfortunatley Wikipedia does not allow for conjecture and hearsay. I believe it is very possible Poker Joe lived and made it into Canada. However, all the verifiable information in journals, books, and verifiable articles all show the history differently and this is what Wikipedia must follow. If you can provide verifiable evidence of his surviving the Battle of Bear Paw in the form of articles, books, journals, or any other information that can be verifed and fit Wikipedias guidelines then I am sure any editor of Wikipedia will be willing to add to the continuing article of Poker Joe. Matthew Clevinger 19:20, 5 December 2019 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by MClevinger (talk • contribs)

Name

I'm not sure but maybe it would be more appropriate to refer to this person by either his tribal, or Christian name, rather than a moniker of dubious origin? -- Seelefant (talk) 15:10, 14 November 2022 (UTC)