Talk:Podujevo/Archive 1

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Nikola, what makes a website official? If the website if financed by Soros then it is not official, right? Stupid! --Kosovar 18:05, 11 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Unitet Naticion Law in Kosovo

The user of the city names in English Language (newer version from the UN liable pilari in Kosovo for such think )

1. http://www.osce.org/kosovo/13982.html

The original page of the Law (1. in albanian L., 2.Serbian L.)

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1. http://www.unmikonline.org/regulations/unmikgazette/03albanian/A2000regs/RA2000_43.htm
2. http://www.unmikonline.org/regulations/unmikgazette/04serbian/SC2000regs/RSC2000_43.pdf

The UN Law in Kosovo says that the only oficele name are the names presentit in >A< every thinks als is out of Law. This is for albanian language.

RREGULLORe NR. 2000/43
UNMIK/REG/2000/43
27 korrik 2000
Mbi numrin, emrat dhe kufinjtë e komunave
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Përfaqësuesi Special i Sekretarit të Përgjithshëm,
Në pajtim me autorizimin e tij të dhënë me rezolutën 1244 (1999) të datës 10 qershor 1999 të 
Këshillit të Sigurimit të Kombeve të Bashkuara,
Duke marrë parasysh Rregulloren nr. 1999/1 të datës 25 korrik 1999, të ndryshuar, të
Misionit të Administratës së Përkohshme të Kombeve të Bashkuara në Kosovë (UNMIK)
mbi autorizimin e Administratës së 
Përkohshme në Kosovë dhe Rregulloren Nr. 1999/24 të datës 12 dhjetor 1999 të UNMIK-ut 
mbi ligjin në fuqi në Kosovë,
Me qëllim të qartësimit të numrit, emrave, shtrirja dhe kufinjve të komunave para mbajtjes 
së zgjedhjeve komunale në Kosovë,
Shpall sa vijon:
Neni 1
Numri dhe emrat e komunave
Kosova ka tridhjetë komuna ashtu siç figurojnë në Tabelën ‘A’ të kësaj rregulloreje. 
Komunikimi zyrtar nuk përmban asnjë emër për ndonjë komunë i cili nuk figuron në Tabelën ‘A’ 
të kësaj rregulloreje, përveç që në ato komuna ku komunitetet etnike a gjuhësore joshqiptare 
dhe joserbe përbëjnë një pjesë substanciale, emrat e komunave jepen edhe në gjuhët e 
atyre komuniteteve.
Neni 2
Shtrirja dhe kufinjtë e komunave
Shtrirja e çdo komune dhe kufinjtë e tyre skicohen nga zonat e tyre përbërëse kadastrale. 
Zonat kadastrale të cilat përbëjnë çdo komunë figurojnë në Tabelën ‘B’ të kësaj rregulloreje.
Neni 3
Zbatimi
Përfaqësuesi Special i Sekretarit të Përgjithshëm mund të lëshojë direktiva administrative 
në lidhje me zbatimin e kësaj rregulloreje.
Neni 4
Ligji i zbatueshëm
Kjo rregullore mbulon çdo dispozitë në ligjin e zbatueshëm e cila nuk është në përputhje me të. 
Neni 5
Hyrja në fuqi
Kjo rregullore hyn në fuqi më 27 korrik 2000.
Bernard Kouchner
Përfaqësuesi Special i Sekretarit të Përgjithshëm

The UN Law in Kosovo says that the only oficele name are the names presentit in >A< every thinks als is out of Law. This is for serbian language.

UREDBA BR. 2000/43
UNMIK/URED/2000/43
27. jul 2000. godine
O BROJU, IMENIMA I GRANICAMA OP[TINA
Specijalni predstavnik Generalnog sekretara,
Shodno ovla{}ewu koje mu je dato Rezolucijom Saveta bezbednosti Ujediwenih
nacija 1244 (1999) od 10. juna 1999. godine,
Na osnovu Uredbe br. 1999/1 od 25. jula 1999. godine Privremene
administrativne misije Ujediwenih nacija na Kosovu (UNMIK), sa izmenama i
dopunama, o ovla{}ewima Privremene uprave na Kosovu i na osnovu Uredbe
UNMIK-a br. 2000/24 od 12. decembra 2000. godine o zakonu koji je u primeni na
Kosovu, <u>(hier is oficele user)</u>
U ciqu razja{wavawa broja, imena, oblasti i granica op{tina pre odr`avawa
op{tinskih izbora na Kosovu,
Ovim objavquje slede}e:
Clan 1
BROJ I IMENA OPSTINA
1.1 Kosovo ima trideset opstina kao sto je dato u Tabeli '''A''' u dodatku ovoj
Uredbi.
1.2 Zvani~na komunikacija ne mo`e da sadrzi bilo koje ime za opstinu koje
nije naziv odredjen u Tabeli A ove Uredbe, osim u onim opstinama gde etni~ke i
jezi~ke zajednice, koje nisu srpske i albanske ~ine znatan deo stanovni{tva, gde
se imena op{tina daju i na jezicima tih zajednica.
Clan 2
PODRU^JA I GRANICE OP[TINA
Podru~je svake op{tine i wene granice su ocrtane wenim sastavnim
katastarskim zonama. Katastarske zone koje ~ine svaku op{tinu su odre|ene u
Tabeli B prilo`enoj u dodatku ovoj Uredbi.
Clan 3
PRIMENA
Specijalni predstavnik Generalnog sekretara mo`e da donese administrativno
uputstvo u vezi sa primenom ove Uredbe.
Clan 4
ZAKON KOJI JE U PRIMENI
Ova Uredba zamewuje svaku odredbu zakona koji je u primeni a koja nije saglasna
sa wom.
Clan 5
STUPAWE NA SNAGU
Ova Uredba stupa na snagu 27. jula 2000. godine.
Bernar Ku{ner
Specijalni predstavnik Generalnog sekretara

tabel of contens >A<

TABELA ‘A’ (alb) RASPORED A (ser.)
Emrat e komunave (alb.)IMENA OPSTINA (serb)
Albanski Srpski
01 Deçan \Decani
02 Gjakovë \Djakovica
03 Gllogovc \Glogovac
04 Gjilan \Gnilane
05 Dragash \Dragas
06 Istog \Istok
07 Kaçanik \Kacanik
08 Klinë\ Klina
09 Fushë Kosovë\ Kosovo Polje
10 Kamenicë \Kamenica
11 Mitrovicë \Kosovska Mitrovica
12 Leposaviq \Leposavic
13 Lipjan \Lipqan
14 Novobërdë \Novo Brdo
15 Obiliq \Obilic
16 Rahovec\ Orahovac
17 Pejë\ Pec
18 Podujevë\ Podujevo
19 Prishtinë \Pristina
20 Prizren \Prizren
21 Skenderaj\ Srbica
22 Shtime\ Stimqe
23 Shtërpcë\ Strpce
24 Suharekë\ Suva Reka
25 Ferizaj \Urosevac
26 Viti \Vitina
27 Vushtrri\ Vucitrn
28 Zubin Potok \Zubin Potok
29 Zveçan\ Zvecan
30 Malishevë\ Malisevo

If sambody have a argument Im waitting. In another cases you are going to interpret the dokumets (you are out of UN Law) and you dont have argumet, you dont work for Wikipedia but are destroing the Wikipedia image. I know that my english is not so gut, but a desinformation is not gut for Wikipedia and for the peopel in Kosovo. You can have a problem with "Haage". This tabel is speeken better then I.--Hipi Zhdripi 21:03, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

No argumet

No argumet!!! please dont inteprete the documents

Sombody have putit this Kosovo place in Serbia stub or category or template here with out argumet. We dont have a argumet that Kosovo is part of S/M. We have tha Constitution of this countrie but we have the rez. 1244 wich is more importen for the Wikipedia and is saying that Kosovo it is a part of Yougoslavia and is prototoriat of UN. Till we dont have a clearly argument from UN, aricel about Kosovo must be out of this stub or category or template. Pleas dont make the discution with intepretation or the Law wich are not accordin to 1244. Everybodoy can do that but that is nothing for Wikipedia.--Hipi Zhdripi 05:08, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

PODUJEVO

The Podujevo article seems to focus on entirely Albanian language sources and Slavic attacks on Albanians in the history section. Aside from the description of Serbian pilgrims being attacked, there is almost a direct attempt at the victimization of Albanians. No one is negating these attacks. However,there is no attempt to even describe similar attacks that were launched by Albanians against Yugoslavs.

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Podujevo is a place where islamist UCK (KLA) soldiers in march 19th 2004. burned and desecrated a christian church!!!

this is not acceptable by any moral law!

here are links if you are interested to watch what are islamist terrorists capable to do in Europe, protected by UN:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3OnRyjUwoDY —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nnik998 (talk • contribs) 19:02, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

You're welcome to include the destruction of the Church in 2004 but the KLA was disbanded in 1999. Also we can't use Youtube as a reference. IJA (talk) 09:31, 21 October 2014 (UTC)

Unitet Naticion Law in Kosovo and Wikipedia

Before two years, I have presented the argument. In thate time it was clear, thate, Serbia with or without Kosovo, is going to be part of Europe Card for citys names. And Europ Card for citys names (komuna) is adopted from Kosovar Govermend. My dier friends in English Wikipedia, you are maken not a litel problem, but with all information, you are changen the oficial names of the citys in Kosovo.

You have taket the Serbial Law or some imagenedet rouls, als more importen thane UN Law. English Wikipedia is not working/existing under the Serbian Law, but under UN Law. Don´t be wondering if somebody is acusing the English Wikipedia for anti-UN propaganda and "spaming" desinformation to the internet iusers.

The mandat of UN in Kosovo is hight livel thane Serbian Law - witch since the UNMIK is in Kosovo, dont exist anymore for Kosovo.

1. You are working agains the Kosovo Law
2. You are working agains the Europen Card for city names
3. You are working agains the UNMIK - Law
4. You are working agains the UN - Law

The LAW of Kosovo, Eropen, UNMIK and UN, thate I have presented here before two years nobady diden respect.

Becose of this I acuse you for desinformations and working aganis this LAWS, and with you works here you are helping to destabisate the sitution in Balkan. DON SAY THAT YOUR HANDS ARE CLEAR, DONT BE PART OF PROPAGANDA WITCH MOTIVAT THE PRIMITIV PEOPEL, PLEASE REPECT THE UN - LAW

THE SYS. AND ADMINISTRATORS OF ENGLISH WIKIPEDIA HAVE RESPOSIBLITI TO STOP MAKEN WIKIPEDIA AS PART OF PROPAGANDA WITCH MOTIVATE PRIMITIV PEOPEL.

SINCE 2 YEARS, ENGLISH WIKIPEDIA WITH NOT RESPECTING THE UN LAW, IS HELPING IN DESTABILSATION OF THE BALKAN REGION. - Hipi Zhdripi —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.70.183.85 (talk) 00:35, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

According to Wikipedia rules, the city's name should be the one with most appearances in English sources. Googlebooks gives:

Besiana 6,590 results for Besiane, without mentioning Besiana (another 1,000)

only 2,790 results for Podujevo

As a result I moved the title to Besiane.Futbollisti (talk) 04:51, 16 October 2011 (UTC)

Those are false positive, as it represents numerous other terms than this town, and also include other term in search. You may request move, if you have some valid arguments. --WhiteWriter ^speaks 14:25, 18 October 2011 (UTC)

Podujevo stays to Besiane like Democratic Republic of the Congo to Zaire, so it's just a historical name, and will change. How many false postitives do you see btw? Futbollisti (talk) 15:40, 18 October 2011 (UTC)

Well, no actually, more important thing is that COMMON NAME is first here.

Podujevo (3.040)

Besiana (792)

Besiane (59)

Besianë (0)

Second one, is that Kosovo is disputed region, and everything should follow that. De jure, or de facto also, by majority of the world, Podujevo is official name of this town. Hits points that Podujevo is also, by far, the most common name. All best! --WhiteWriter ^speaks 18:17, 18 October 2011 (UTC)

So we're following Wikipedia:Naming_conventions_(geographic_names)#Multiple_local_names here, right? How did you do your Wikipedia:Search engine test? The two first results are the same, btw so your showing the result for Besiane is incorrect. Can you clarify your logic with minuses and pluses and also can you fix your presentation above?Futbollisti (talk) 20:27, 18 October 2011 (UTC)

I fixed it. Minus means that term after the minus will not be included in search. So, results are clean, therefor. --WhiteWriter ^speaks 20:42, 18 October 2011 (UTC)

But doing that you are just eliminating all the sources where both names are given. Following your logic, in Kosovo, there shouldn't be any Albanian names, only Serbian, since it has been the official language for a century, and most of the sources are in Serbian. A lot of sources give both names, but you are just eliminating them in your search.Futbollisti (talk) 21:14, 18 October 2011 (UTC)

When we want to find out which name is most common, we should search for only one... All best, be good. --WhiteWriter ^speaks 22:25, 18 October 2011 (UTC)

Thanks!Futbollisti (talk) 17:23, 19 October 2011 (UTC)

File:Podujevo srusena crkva.JPG Nominated for Deletion

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Central Serbia

The article on "Central Serbia" says that it's not even an administrative division, and doesn't even exist any more. So, why the insistence on linking to that article when Serbia is a more accurate and more neutral target? bobrayner (talk) 22:11, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

Central Serbia is also a toponym.--Antidiskriminator (talk) 22:14, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

Try clicking the link and reading what it says rather than swallowing the rubbish courtesy of Kosovo's assembly. Evlekis (Евлекис) (argue) 22:28, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

What does Kosovo's assembly have to do with this? Let's be clear; no source supports such weaselly wording. bobrayner (talk) 23:26, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

What does Kosovo's assembly have to do with it? They say that they have a border and that is with Serbia. Belgrade disagrees with this. We have a responsibility to be neutral, not push the way we prefer things. If Central Serbia is wiesel wording, then it is a false article. Nominate it for deletion, prove that it does not exist, find your sources that Kosovo is recognised by everybody including Serbia, then your edit will be fine. Until then, please remain neutral. Evlekis (Евлекис) (argue) 00:40, 23 April 2013 (UTC)

In 2004, Kosovo had not even declared independence yet. Even Serbia was still part of its union with Montenegro. Therefore, Podujevo was in the same country. Zetatrans (talk) 12:37, 23 April 2013 (UTC) Blocked sock:Evlekis.

A trivial error; there was an earlier declaration of independence. Anyway, I don't see you rushing to replace "Albanian terrorists" with "FR Yugoslav terrorists". Why the selective enforcement of national preferences? bobrayner (talk) 13:15, 23 April 2013 (UTC)

Albania was never in Yugoslavia fyi, so replacing that would be wrong info and error, and not national preference... --WhiteWriter^speaks 22:15, 9 May 2013 (UTC)

Additional Information

The structure includes all main points but you have to expand and add additional information on all the sections

Rinalila (talk) 01:34, 2 March 2014 (UTC)

Telephone code

The infobox is out of date if there is anyone with the correct knowledge here. The dialing code for Kosovo is +383 so it is likely the towns will have changed too, see Telephone numbers in Kosovo. --Oranges Juicy (talk) 08:58, 13 July 2015 (UTC)

@Oranges Juicy: Is there any reliable source for that? Vanjagenije (talk) 14:43, 13 July 2015 (UTC)

Interesting question. The simple answer is that I haven't looked. Forgetting about WP:WINARS, even I have that tendency to read on and forget to check the claims. Anyhow, there exists the +383 article, and in many places here it reports that this number came into fruition as part of the Brussels Agreement in 2013. Seems plausible but I haven't sifted through the external sources, sorry about that. --Oranges Juicy (talk) 15:01, 13 July 2015 (UTC)

@Oranges Juicy: As I can see, the Telephone numbers in Kosovo article has no source to prove that the calling code is 383. Its most recent source is from 2009. Vanjagenije (talk) 15:09, 13 July 2015 (UTC)

Interesting. Let's leave the article as it is and when I get time to look into that area, I'll get back to the corrections. If nothing is found, then I'll focus on challenging the 383 claims. --Oranges Juicy (talk) 15:11, 13 July 2015 (UTC)

Atrocious Article

Hello Wikipedians,

I'm sorry for not signing up as a member to make this comment, but I couldn't help myself, this article is simply terrible. Even by the standards of other Kosovo and Serbia related articles, this one is especially bad. I'll give just a few reasons:

1. It is written in awful and often incomprehensible English.

2. It relies almost entirely on a single source for the entire "History" section.

3. The single source mentioned above is an albanian language source, and is lacking an english translation or supporting source in english. Perhaps this explains the poor writing.

4. As a result of (2) and (3) combined, large chunks of the article are filled with patent nonsense and speculation. Even a generally pro-albanian source like Malcolm would be much more accurate than what we now have.

5. At this point I suppose it's obvious, but I'll say it anyways: the article has a rather blatant albanian-nationalist bias. It reads more like a list of Podujevo-specific reasons why Kosovo should be independent than an actual article about the region.

I know that this subject is legendary for attracting vandalism and trolling like shit attracts flies, but this should be a priority for cleaning-up. As it stands, the article could serve as an example of why Wikipedia isn't an acceptable source for academic research and citations. At the very least, sections of it should be re-written by someone with a better understanding of english so that it is readable.

Thank you for your time!— Preceding unsigned comment added by 137.122.30.122 (talk) 21:57, 27 November 2016 (UTC)‎

• You are free to improve the article. Thanks in advance. Vanjagenije (talk) 12:01, 12 July 2017 (UTC)

Why is it not writting as Podujevë in the subject?

Podujeve is a city were the Majority is Albanian so why is their written Podujevo i can't understand that honestly this needs to be fixed! every article off Kosovo is linked with serbia and this is an prove that serbs even to this try to manipulate the international media! Xonilatifi25 (talk) 22:52, 14 April 2021 (UTC)