Talk:Pocahontas (1995 film)/Archive 1

Archive 1

Plot details

Can someone provide the plotline to the movie? --User:Angie Y. —Preceding undated comment added 00:33, September 23, 2005

Page move

This page was moved from "Pocahontas (1995 movie)" to "Pocahontas (1995 film)" as per the naming convention set out at Wikipedia:Naming conventions (films) – Ianblair23 (talk) 23:49, 12 October 2005 (UTC)

Trivia section

Mulan was also based on a true story, so I'm going to take out that part about Pocahontas being the only Disney film to be inspired by a true story. If anybody has any concerns, raise them, but it doesn't seem as if people post much on this discussion page... Highconclave 10:51, 25 March 2006 (UTC)

I thought Mulan was based on the poem, which itself was put together from a series of events and legends. BethEnd 08:00, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

The tale of Mulan is considered a legend, not a true story. Sly Soprano 04:51, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

Plot section

Is someone going to explain the plot of the movie or not? --User:Angie Y. —Preceding undated comment added 18:31, April 8, 2006

Not accurate

This is not accurate: "The first and only Disney animated film to be based on fact."

Aside from whether it is or not the first and only Disney animated film based on "facts", the story about a romance between a Pocahontas woman and John Smith is simply impossible. By the time the unreliable John Smith claims Pocahontas saved his life she was about 11 years old (1607). Smith left Virginia never to return again two years later (1609) when Pocahontas was around 13 years old. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.210.246.62 (talk • contribs) 05:17, May 4, 2006 (UTC)

"Based on" does not imply "completely rooted in." The basic story, minus romance, is true. Chill. Sly Soprano 04:51, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

Is it? I'd say the motivations of the Europeans are false as well. I've lived in Virginia all my life. I'm a native myself, although of an Iriquoi based tribe and not an Algonquian based tribe as the Powhatans were. We learned all about Pocahontas in the reservation's school and when my mother moved out of the reservation, the social studies teacher celebrated my coming to the school by talking about Pocahontas in class. Although I don't see why, wrong family of tribes, but anyway. I have never once read or heard anything about gold diggers in regards to John Smith's expedition. Sure, Europeans were always on the look out for gold, but this expedition was NOT a bunch of gold diggers. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.254.141.93 (talk • contribs) 04:18, October 6, 2006 (UTC)

Remake

I wish Disney would re-make this movie, and show the truth, not the lies they incorporated in this movie. Once they do this, then we can criticize their poor choice in movies. --66.218.17.240 03:29, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

Waterfalls in Virginia

Contrary to the article, there ARE actually waterfalls in Virginia. I've seen dozens with my own eyes. The real problem is that there are simply none that large, or large enough to really be named at all. Of all the waterfalls I've seen while treking about in the wilderness never reach higher than 10feet in height, and they're usually just creeks, not rivers. So the waterflow isn't enough to do more than babble and trickle. The only waterfall I've seen that had any force to it was about 8 feet tall, and 5 feet wide. It was a part of a very rocky and cliffy rapids area of one particular river. This one waterfall was in an area that we call "Devil's Kitchen" because of all the whirlpools. To getinto the river that makes that one waterfall, the only one in Virginia that i myself have seen that comes off a river and not a creek or brook, you must drop down about 30 feet of sheer cliff face. It's certainly not the safest place in the world to be singing and dancing. Especially concidering the turbulance in the area. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.254.141.93 (talk • contribs) 04:13, October 6, 2006 (UTC)

I agree with you. I myself have done a lot of hiking around that area of Virginia. There were indeed a lot of whirpools, rocky areas, rapids and cliffs that looked very dangerous. For some odd reason the mere thought of whirlpools scares me O_o maybe because one nearly drowned me when I was a child...... Back on topic. The only waterfall I saw that had any force whatsoever was about the size of the on you described, but it had very steep (almost sheer) banks that went down quite a few feet so I couldn't get anywhere near it. There were some very sharp looking rocks at the bottom of it, and the water was very shallow, so if you were to go over the waterfall you would most certainly die. Downstream from that waterfall the water gets very deep and turbulent. Yes, certainly not a safe place to be playing around in a canoe made from a tree trunk! SilentWind 20:48, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

there are no waterfalls in tidewater virginia, its below the fall line. waterfalls do exist above the fall line in virginia but that not where this takes place. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.186.77.164 (talk) 02:33, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

Historical Facts

I think we should mention the fact that when Pocahontas "saved" John Smith from her father, it was really part of a complex initiation ceremony and that John Smith wasn't ever really in any danger. Just a suggestion. --LatinaEinstein 01:24, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

There are worse factual errors in the movie. The biggest one being that the movie depicts Pocahontas as being a young adult by the time the Whites (and their Bubonic-plagued rats) arrive in North America. However, in reality, she was still a child then... I wish my whole family would stop insisting I am a descendant of hers... my whole family being Native American. However, that asshat Bush cannot be a descendant. He is white for god sakes! SilentWind 16:22, 20 October 2006 (UTC)SilentWind

Pocohontas married Englishman John Rolfe, and they had many notable descendants, most of whom are considered white. I don't know about Bush, but woodrow Wilson was definately one of her descendants. See Pocahontas#Descendants. 75.129.161.183 10:49, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

Fact: The real John Smith raped the real Pocahantas. Citation: http://www.nytimes.com/1995/07/12/nyregion/coming-to-classrooms-the-real-pocahontas-story.html?pagewanted=1

I read the article and was surprised to see no section on "Criticism of Pocahantas" or "Racist themes in Pocahantas". Citations: http://web.mit.edu/activities/thistle/v9/9.09/8pocahontas.html would be a good place to start. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.247.133.72 (talk) 22:10, 27 December 2009 (UTC)

– I agree with the unsigned comment above, there needs to be a section on this. There has been significant public and academic criticism of Pocahontas, both at the time of the movie's release and in subsequent years. tanzy 12:49, 23 March 2010 (UTC)

@SilentWind- pocahontas had a son with john rolfe. This child, being part native American and part caucasian, went on to have child with a white woman. This led to a long line of white descendents in England and America. As this was Pocahontas' only son it means that- shock shock horror horror- all of the direct descendents of pocahontas are WHITE. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.171.242.52 (talk) 17:14, 16 February 2010 (UTC)

In regards to LatinaEinstein's comment. If we note that when John Smith was "saved" it was actually a ceremony. We must also note he did not write of this incident with Pocahontas until 17 years after it happened. Even after he had written of his stay with the Powhatan on several occasions without mentioning this event. To this end, it is unsure whether it was a ceremony or whether it happened at all. I think both situations should be made note of. (Papabrow (talk) 15:04, 13 April 2010 (UTC))

Did anyone else notice the historical error in that the film has Captain John Smith returning to England after he was shot? In reality, he returned to England in October 1609 after a gunpowder explosion in his canoe. While most of the other criticisms above (such as Pocahontas probably did not save Smith's live) are valid, the movie is certainly wrong about why Smith returned to England. Unfortunately, Wikipedia does not allow anyone to edit that point under "Historical errors." Can someone alert the authorities at Wikipedia to have this included under the section called "Historical errors"? 24.9.74.139 (talk) 02:52, 17 February 2013 (UTC)

Kocoum

I will never forgive Disney for this. The first person to die, on-screen, in a Disney movie, and it's a Native American. I was very furious about that the first time I watched the movie. -SilentWind 21:48, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

I also changed places where the word "Indian" was used to "Native". People, please don't use the word "Indian".... unless it's referring to people who are actually from India the country.-SilentWind 21:53, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

I disagree with this sentiment. There's nothing wrong with referring to Native Americans as Indians. Implying that there is is just politically correct bullshit creeping into this encyclopedia. I say either use is fine, as would the use of the word Aborigional, or American Aborigional. I may be mistaken, and your concern for clarity, and not political correctness. In that case, using the more specific 'American Indian' clears up any ambiguity. 75.129.161.183 10:53, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

I am Coos Indian and I have to agree. The PC movement is doing far more harm than good. @SilenWind I don't know if you're tying to be funny or really overly sensitive, but that is not the first onscreen death for a Disney cartoon character. Simba's dad was. Also it's a mere plot device. Kocoum was set in his way, but portrayed as a good honorable man, and in the end a tragic victim of events as they played out. His death serves as the catalyst for Smith's would be execution. It's suppose to sting. There's no reason for the Indians (that's right. I'm taking it back!) to want to put him to death. He was one of the nice ones in the story. Once he was "responsible" for the death of the tribe's hero it makes far more since that he would be punished. Disney made an interesting story, but they sadly left historical facts at the door when the went into the writer's room that week, but such is life. My point is; the idea that Kocoum's death is somehow racist is a very small minded one indeed. I might be alone here, but I feel the assumption of racism can be far more harmful than racism itself. I don't want to get into a debate on this, but I sincerely hope you were trying to be funny or troll people with your comments. I only respond because I know people who feel this way and it seems like a sad way to look at things. We shouldn't give these details more power than they deserve. Example: A hero who is black is great. But a villain who is black is a better sign of progress. Why? Because the fact that he's black has nothing to do with the character other than physical appearance. The more we focus on the details the longer the prolem will be allowed to thrive. We need to learn from our mistakes and move on. But that's just me. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.165.141.254 (talk) 00:47, 7 June 2013 (UTC)

"English"

I don't believe it's accurate to refer to them as "English settlers" when Ben is blatantly Scottish. Also, by this time King James I had united Scotland and England (as much as Ratcliffe refers to only England). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.16.170.170 (talk • contribs) 14:12, November 9, 2006 (UTC)

England and Scotland were unified at this point under one crown, but were still technically seperate nations until the Acts of Union 1707. This brings up a historical innacuracy in this film's sequal, where a British flag is used on the ship when it should have been an English flag. 75.129.161.183 10:56, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

Actually the Union Jack (sans St Patrick's Cross) was in use from 1606. Zacwill (talk) 11:50, 22 August 2016 (UTC)

"More" prejudicial than the Europeans?

Another criticism of the movie was it portrayed the Native Americans to be just as if not more prejudicial than the Europeans

I don't think this statement (which is grammatical incorrect anyway) is accurate. I'm not saying the film didn't portray the Native Americans are being prejudicial, but it certainly portrayed the Europeans as being the more prejudicial. If you'll notice, in the "Savages" song, when the lines are repeated by the natives they are toned down. For example, Ratcliffe's "they're not like you and me, which means they must be evil" is changed to "they're different from us, which means they can't be trusted" when spoken by Powhatan. Also, the film clearly depicts Ratcliffe as being the villain and the main source of all the bigotry. 67.171.163.212 02:08, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

John Smith character link

the John Smith character wikilink links to the actual John Smith, whilst Pocahontas' links to her character, and to add to that, he (the character) doesn't have an article... so should we keep the link or what? (I just check some of the other links, and it's the same for Chief Powhatan and Governor Ratcliffe) Abcdemily 04:45, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

I say remove the links. If someone creates articles for those characters, then they can be added back. -- Annie D 05:11, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

First female protagonist

In the trivia section there is this sentence: "Pocahontas is also the first female protagonist in an animated film by Disney." I'm not disputing this, but I just need clarification. Are Cinderella and Snow White considered protagonists or not? -- Annie D 00:42, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

I think that Cinderella and Snow White could be considered the protagonists because the protagonist is the main character of the story, regardless of whether that character is good or evil. So Pocahontas would not be the first female protagonist.Blackcat52 15:33, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

Might she be the first female protagonist of color? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 171.66.89.12 (talk) 21:08, 5 April 2010 (UTC)

Plot

I just reverted an edit by User:80.73.209.6 who expanded the plot section. The text added was useful, but the plot section has to be kept as simple as possible. Annie D 00:14, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

Trivia

Please don't remove the trivia tag. (See: WP:TRIV.) Also, Mulan is more legend than fact. Thanks! -- Annie D 00:07, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

Naomi Campbell?

The article states, that some people think Pocahontas looks more like "black model Naomi Campbell" than as a native American. But actually, Naomi Campbell isn't just black. Doesn't she have Chinese origins? And the East Asians are rather closely related to the Native Americans. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.64.115.76 (talk • contribs) 00:57, August 7, 2007 (UTC)

Naomi Campbell does have Chinese origans. And yes East Asians might be Related to Native Americans. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.232.239.18 (talk) 21:55, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

There were complaints at the time, as character designers were accused of basing Pocahontas on three models- none of which were native american. Native American spokesmen complained that whilst elder male characters looked like Powhatans, Pocahontas lacked the facial features of an Indiginous American girl. They complained that in doing this, disney were implying that there was no beauty to be found in the faces of Native American girls. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.171.242.52 (talk) 17:31, 16 February 2010 (UTC)

Question

Ive got a Question. Isn't the Anastasia Disney movie based on the story of the Grand Duchess Anastasia Romanov / Anna Anderson (Exept with alot of lies mixed in)? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.232.239.18 (talk) 22:02, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

Anastasia wasn't made by Disney. -- Annie D (talk) 01:05, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

Actually, Billy Zane voiced Rolfe in the second film. Christian Bale was not a voice actor in that film. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.73.66.34 (talk) 12:51, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

Not Like Other Disney Movies

So far, this was the only Disney movie based on a nonfictional character. 66.191.115.61 21:02, 7 September 2007 (UTC)Cbsteffen

Actually, whether or not Hua Mulan was a real person is still up for debate, so Mulan could technically be considered to be based on a historical figure. 70.121.201.71 (talk) 20:00, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

Romeo and Juliet/West Side Story

Just wondering, has there ever been a mention of the similarities to those two works from a reliable source? The Lion King 2 article mentions it being based on R&J, but Pocahontas has even more similarities. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.90.253.52 (talk) 21:23, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

The reasoning behind this is that Lion King's allusion is most likely intentional. The original Lion King based its story line on Hamlet and Macbeth, so to continue the reference to Shakespearean plays Lion King 2 would have put in allusions to other Shakespearean plays, in this case Romeo and Juliet. Pocahontas might seem similar, but this is more likely circumstantial as opposed to any real intent on the part of the studio. As a side note it is hard to come up with a concrete and non-arbitrary method of judging the similarities. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 171.66.89.12 (talk) 21:01, 5 April 2010 (UTC)

Animated Theatrical Feature

How could it have won Best Animated Theatrical Feature when that Oscar was not in use until 2001? 76.126.15.78 (talk) 16:30, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

Creation?

I was wondering, should it be added in to the page was this film made with the help of computers, or was it hand-drawn? Not just this film, but a lot of other "Disney Renaissance" films as well.. But Pocahontas especially features a distinct art style, reminiscent of many modern day computer drawn Disney films. I thought it was, but considering that computers weren't overly powerful at 1995.. Anyone happen to know if this was still hand-drawn? --Petrim (talk) 16:50, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

"New Extended Cut"

{{editsemiprotected}} Could someone please change "In 2005, a 10th Anniversary 2-disc Special Edition DVD set was released, which featured a new extended cut of the film and numerous bonus features." to "In 2005, a 10th Anniversary 2-disc Special Edition DVD set was released, which featured a new extended cut of the film (adding two performances of "If I Never Knew You") and numerous bonus features." 99.183.164.91 (talk) 05:30, 17 January 2009 (UTC)

Done fahadsadah (talk,contribs) 08:27, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

Why it's protected?

I wanted to edit. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Asperchu (talk • contribs) 14:37, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

ITS JUST A FILM!

Right, i really can't see the point in everybody making such a huge fuss of a disney cartoon film that was quite frankly made for CHILDREN. I assume that all of us here are mature adults so I don't understand why everybody is picking out every tiny little fault in this film.... I'd like to point out that a lot of time and effort was put into the making of this film, and surely the acheivment of actually creating such a high quality enjoyable film should be celebrated and not torn to shreds. So what, there are a few innacuracies; it's a film for kids and their families to enjoy! I remember watching this film when i was younger and enjoying it thouroughly! The music is great and I would still happily sit and watch this film over and over again. Stop being so negative and maybe start disscussing the positive things about this film. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.149.75.170 (talk) 10:52, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

This is not a forum. BOVINEBOY2008 11:05, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

The point: the film distorts history. Children (and some adults) may not be able to view it as "entertainment" and may incorporate parts of it into their understanding of of Native Americans and European colonization. No, it's not as bad as lots of older pop culture. Yes, it can still do damage. Yes, we should make sure an encyclopedia article is as accurate as possible. Disney can do their own marketing of its merits, and you are free to watch it and enjoy it. But this isn't a casual article or review of the film - it must aspire to a higher standard. 98.243.50.78 (talk) 02:51, 18 October 2010 (UTC)

CAST

Ian McKellan so did not voice Powhatan. IT was Russell Means. Could someone go ahead and change that please? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dalecat (talk • contribs) 19:35, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

Edit request from 142.66.72.97, 14 October 2010

Change Kocoum's voice actor's name from "Kevin Smith" to "James Apaumut Fall" Change Powhatan's voice actor's name from "Ian McKellen" to "Russel Means"

As these are the correct actors and not the ones presently in the article (I don't want to think that Gandalf is Chief Powhatam)

142.66.72.97 (talk) 20:36, 14 October 2010 (UTC)

I've made the corrections. Thanks! Erik (talk | contribs) 21:03, 14 October 2010 (UTC)

Edit request from Imjerome10, 28 October 2010

{{edit semi-protected}}

Musical Numbers

1. Virginia Company- English Settlers
2. Virginia Company (Reprise)- John Smith, Thomas, & Settlers
3. Steady as the Beating Drum (Main Title)- Native Americans
4. Steady as the Beating Drum (Reprise)- Powhatan
5. Just Around the Riverbend- Pocahontas
6. Listen With Your Heart (Pt 1)- Grandmother Willow
7. Mine, Mine, Mine- Ratcliffe, John Smith, & Settlers
8. Listen With Your Heart (Pt 2)- Grandmother Willow
9. [Colors of the Wind]- Pocahontas
10. Savages (Pt 1)- Ratcliffe, Powhatan, Kekata, & Chorus
11. Savages (Pt 2)- Ratcliffe, Powhatan, Pocahantas, & Chorus

Imjerome10 (talk) 16:53, 28 October 2010 (UTC)

 Not done Please be specific about what you want done. BOVINEBOY2008 17:01, 28 October 2010 (UTC)

No Reception section?

Noticed from Disney Renaissance that this movie wasn't as well received critically as the others of the era. Came here wondering why and found one of the only movie articles without a reception section. Looking through the history, I found prior pages contained a section titled Critical reception, but it made no reference to any film critic or criticism website(e.g. Metacritic). I've yet to do much editing on Wikipedia, so somebody more experienced should probably do this...I'll give it a couple days and then add it if nobody else will. Cheers, Swibbles (talk) 14:36, 27 January 2011 (UTC)

I added the Rotten Tomatoes and Metacritic scores. Thanks for the heads-up! Erik (talk | contribs) 14:50, 27 January 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from Benfrazier321, 8 February 2011

{{edit semi-protected}} I request to edit information of the cast list of Pocahontas. In the David Ogden Stiers description, it says "Gary Sinise also provided the voice of Wiggins" It should be "He also provided the voice of Wiggins." Gary Sinise had nothing to do with the movie. Benfrazier321 (talk) 01:14, 8 February 2011 (UTC)

Done. Thanks for the head's up. It looks like a bit of drive-by vandalism. ICYTIGER'SBLOOD 03:03, 8 February 2011 (UTC)

Edit Request

{{Edit semi-protected}}

In the Cast sidebar, it claims that John Malkovich was in this film. This is not the case.

Done Yes, that is correct, probably just vandalism that slipped in and never got noticed. Thanks! Qwyrxian (talk) 09:46, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

Edit Request

In the last paragraph under 'Home video Release' there is a typo. "In a number of countries, however, both Pocahontas and it's sequel will be released individually onn Blu-ray" 'On' has one too many 'n' s — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kflores7 (talk • contribs) 05:16, 28 May 2012 (UTC)

Historical Facts

Why is there no section of the main historical errors in the film. Such was the reason I came to this page. Most other info here can be learn from the movie itself and/or the poster. tahc ^chat 21:26, 18 July 2012 (UTC)

I agree. The film is notoriously offensive, though it obviously wasn't trying to be so. A 'criticism' section would be very appropriate. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.234.15.1 (talk) 00:35, 23 September 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 13 October 2012

In the 'Historical Errors' section it is left blank. The movie contains many errors inculding the fact that the ship the explorers arrive on flys the flag of the 'Kingdom of Great Britain' which was not esblitshed untill 1707 with the 'Act of Union 1707' http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingdom_of_Great_Britain He[The Governer] also plants a flag of the 'United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland'/the 'United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland' the first was not founded until 1801. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom_of_Great_Britain_and_Ireland The correct flag whould be the flag of the 'Kingdom of England' A.K.A the English Empire. http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=File:Flag_of_England.svg&page=1

In the movie the main (white) man is John Smith, while he was part of the Jamestowne explorers he was not the one who married Pocahontas, but John Ralfe was. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Smith_(explorer) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Rolfe

Also in the movie Kocoum dies, but in real life Pocahontas had married him. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pocahontas

Also the movie shows them caputring the Govener and abonding the Colony, the colony was not abonded untill 1699. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jamestown,_Virginia Michael Carroll (talk) 18:31, 13 October 2012 (UTC)

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Unfortunately, Wikipedia cannot be used as a source for a Wikipedia article. Also, your own analysis of these articles, even if they could be accepted as reliable, would not be acceptable under WP:OR. If you can find a third-party source that makes these statements regarding the film itself (i.e., not a source that says "Flag X first appeared on date Y", but one that says "In Pocahontas, the flag used is incorrect because it didn't exist until date Y"), then this would be a good edit to make. --McDoobAU93 18:41, 13 October 2012 (UTC)

want to expand the historical errors section?

Here is a link from the powatan themselves

http://www.powhatan.org/pocc.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.118.60.18 (talk) 02:11, 31 October 2012 (UTC)

Why no criticism/reception area...?

Pocahontas as a work of complicated historical/mythical connections, and many authors/essay writers have expanded on its effects, both positive and negative. I mean, this Talk page is a great example of this right away. Pocahontas, BECAUSE it's a piece about American history, is controversial. Why no section to address this? NataleDante (talk) 18:48, 20 February 2013 (UTC)

Spelling mistake

There is a spelling mistake in line 2 of the second paragraph. Please fix. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.154.249.129 (talk) 16:59, 2 June 2013 (UTC)

video game info is wrong

The Playstation version of Pochahontas (called Legend of Pochahontas) is not related to this movie nor to Disney. And there is no Pochahontas game for the Game Boy. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.194.242.205 (talk) 05:43, 29 August 2013 (UTC)

To clarify, are you talking about this game? http://www.lukiegames.com/Pocahontas-Sega-Genesis-Game.html AD (talk) 00:04, 30 August 2013 (UTC)

Education Program: Cornell University/Online Communities

Course Page

Sarahpeters93, Easowers, and ShelbyRokito will be editing this page as part of a class assignment for COMM 3460, a course on online communities that is being taught at Cornell University during the Fall 2013 semester.

In generating a list of tasks for improving this article, we tried to take into account the views already expressed by editors on the article's talk page.

Tasks

• Expand the introductory section that explores the origins of the film
• Fact-check the plot section to confirm that all details are accurate
• Bolster the production section with additional details (i.e. how long it took to film the movie)
• Within the production section, move the information found in the "use of artistic license" sub-section into a new section that we will be creating for historical inaccuracies.
• Create a section for Reception that will compile all the criticism and controversies relating to the film
• Explore whether or not to get rid of the video game section
• Fill in blank boxes on the Awards chart and verify that all other information in the chart is correct
• Add a trivia section. We will be taking information from other sections (i.e. the last paragraph of the voice cast section) and compiling that into the trivia section

References

• Cornell University American Indian Program
• Stanford University, Native American studies Program
• The Yale-New Haven Teacher's Institute
• The History Channel
• Bibliography of Native North Americans
• Internet Movie Database

Images and Multimedia

• We will make sure that all images and multimedia used are protected under the fair use policy
• YouTube 1995 Trailer
• For the voice cast section, we intend to add photos of the real actors alongside a photo of the animated character they portray (we will get these photos from the personal websites of these actors or from IMDb)

Division of Labor

• Because Sarah is an Information Science major and is more comfortable with the Wiki markup language, she will be doing much of technical work.
• Shelby will be doing most of writing.
• Elizabeth will be finding most of the references and fact-checking.

ShelbyRokito (talk) 19:34, 20 September 2013 (UTC)

Feedback from Prof. Leshed:

Sounds like you have a good plan for working on the article. I suggest that you follow up with other editors who have been involved in the discussions here on their talk pages and request for some information, get their advice or ideas on changes you are making, etc. This would greatly enhance your experience and the quality of your contributions. Happy editing! LeshedInstructor (talk) 14:41, 30 September 2013 (UTC)

Feedback from Joey:

Looks like you've established a well thought-out approach to editing this article! Your proposed sources are largely academic and should yield unbiased information about Native Americans. In terms of fact checking, it might also help to seek out help from editors of similar articles. They might have a greater existing knowledge of Native American that would give additional credibility to your contributions. Editors of other children's animated film articles might also be valuable community resources. As for using media in your page, this article should clear up any question you may have about copyright issues that arise with image use (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Uploading_images). Feel free to comment on my talk page if you have any specific questions for me! Joey236 (talk) 18:44, 30 September 2013 (UTC)

Suggestions for more edits?

Easowers, SarahPeters93 and I have really appreciated the opportunity edit this article. Now that we've cleaned up the page and added in a few sections, we were wondering if anyone had any suggestions for future edits that may help to elevate this page from its C-class status? Thanks! ShelbyRokito (talk) 01:38, 8 October 2013 (UTC)

I have an idea why not include the native side of the song savages for a double sided effect for clearly it wasn't just opposing racism from the Anglo population.--124.169.90.173 (talk) 10:19, 16 November 2013 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 4 April 2014

56% from Rotten Tomatoes does not equal "generally positive reviews". It's mixed reviews. The average rating is not 7 out of 10. It is 6 out of 10. The first sentence should say "Pocahontas received generally mixed reviews." Most of the edits to the reception section were by a blocked sockpuppet of Bambifan101. This edit appears to have been made by the same user. The first user changed "The film was harshly criticized by..." to "Unfortunately, the film was harshly criticized by..." and the other user changed "Unfortunately" to "However". This seems like leftover vandalism by Bambifan. And even if it wasn't Bambifan, both users made similar edits to some of the same articles, including this one. Not only that, but both users don't seem to understand the difference between "mixed reviews", "positive reviews", and "negative reviews".

99.56.73.240 (talk) 21:08, 4 April 2014 (UTC)

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. I'm not exactly sure what you want it to say, but what I just did was add a template that should trigger a bot to come around and update the statistics directly from the Rotten Tomatoes website itself. I hope that will work for you. If it hasn't happened by May 1st, let me know and I'll see what I can do or if there is an error let me know. Thanks and happy editing! — {{U|Technical 13}} ^{(t • e • c)} 02:13, 5 April 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 15 April 2014

I noticed in the "White Supremacy" section that Kocoum is spelled Cocoam. Mind if you can fix that? I also noticed that the lyrics for that song "Savages" is incorrect. All the lyrics that are displayed were sung by the Englishmen, and the Native Americans didn't sing until the next verse. 76.102.223.199 (talk) 06:05, 15 April 2014 (UTC)

Not done: The page's protection level and/or your user rights have changed since this request was placed. You should now be able to edit the page yourself. If you still seem to be unable to, please reopen the request with further details. Jackmcbarn (talk) 23:22, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

Artistic license and Meeko

Meeko, a raccoon, is depicted as Pocahontas' sidekick, and is around at all times, even in the daytime. However, raccoons are nocturnal, and are mostly active at night.

Is this really necessary? Raccoons also can't communicate or form close friendships with people and birds. They probably also couldn't survive jumping off giant waterfalls and wouldn't get into a bathtub with a dog. It's a cartoon. — Preceding unsigned comment added by MatttK (talk • contribs) 18:00, 11 December 2014 (UTC)

Changed Lyrics "Savages"

Should a quick note be included that the original words to the song "Savages" was changed? I recently heard the remastered original version and the lyrics are slightly different, though only the European ones. I was a little surprised that the article doesn't mention it considering that Disney did the same thing in "Aladdin". Here are the changes:

"Their whole disgusting race is a curse" (changed to "Here's what you get when races are diverse") "Filthy red-skinned devils" (changed to "Filthy shrieking devils") "Let's go kill some, men!" (changed to "Let's go get them, men!")

24.72.103.70 (talk) 17:03, 11 October 2015 (UTC)