Talk:Piranga

IOC and split of Piranga flava

The IOC split Hepatic tanager, Piranga flava (a long time ago) and has

• Hepatic Tanager, Piranga hepatica – southwest US to Nicaragua
• Tooth-billed Tanager, Piranga lutea – northern and western South America
• Red Tanager, Piranga flava – southeast South America

(ie the Hepatic tanager changes from flava to hepatica) I was about to make the changes to follow the IOC and looked at the articles by the group of Kevin Burns on the genetics.

• Manthey et al 2016 show that the genetic differences between the 3 proposed species are relatively small - less that between the two samples of P. olivacea
• Manthey et al 2016 show that P. lutea is polyphyletic (at least from the two samples in the study).
• Neither SACC nor the AOU have made the split
• I prefer to lump rather than split

But Ridgely & Tudor 2009 p. 212 splits flava from lutea

I've reverted my initial changes. The references are:

• Burns, Kevin J. (1998). "Molecular phylogenetics of the genus Piranga: Implications for biogeography and the evolution of morphology and behavior". The Auk. 115 (3): 621–634. doi:10.2307/4089411.
• Manthey, J.D.; Campillo, L.C.; Burns, K.J.; Moyle, R.G. (2016). "Comparison of target-capture and restriction-site associated DNA sequencing for phylogenomics: A test in cardinalid tanagers (Aves, genus: Piranga)". Systematic Biology. 65 (4): 640–650. doi:10.1093/sysbio/syw005.
• Campillo, L.C.; Burns, K.J.; Moyle, R.G.; Manthey, J.D. (2019). "Mitochondrial genomes of the bird genus Piranga: rates of sequence evolution, and discordance between mitochondrial and nuclear markers". Mitochondrial DNA Part B. 4 (2): 2566–2569. doi:10.1080/23802359.2019.1637286.
• Ridgely, Robert S.; Tudor, Guy (2009). Birds of South America: Passerines. Helm Field Guides. London: Christopher Helm. ISBN 978-1-408-11342-4.

- Aa77zz (talk) 17:16, 29 October 2020 (UTC)