Talk:Pink and Blue

GA Review

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Reviewer: MarioSoulTruthFan (talk · contribs) 19:54, 6 February 2017 (UTC)

You article will be reviewed soon. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 19:54, 6 February 2017 (UTC)

Infobox

• Producer?
• Genre is missing some stuff, see two sections below.

Done

Lead

• UK Garage and J-pop are more than influences, see below.
• Rare candy is a blog, so probably not a reliable source. The lead might need some serious re-writing.
• Link music critics to music journalism.

Done

Background and release

• C Music artist Polly-Louisa Salmon, later known as GFOTY. → not on citation given
• the idea of working on music together didn't occur to the pair until a vocalist Cook booked for a session failed to appear, causing Diamond to step in and record on his project. → source? Nylon source just says "It happened sort of randomly."
• I have no release date, it just says three years ago. You have an iTunes reference just use it.
• "Pressing On: PC Music and The Future of Pop" → should also be used on critical reception.
• Should also state it was made for download on iTunes on the same date.

Done

Composition

• In an article about Diamond and "post-ringtone music". → are you referring to the fact magazine article? If so it isn't about her and can't find the "post-ringtone music" quote in there. If not the sentence seems rather incomplete.
• I believe the genre of the song should also include J-pop and UK Garage as the sources say so.
• Isn't the last source, rare candy a blog?

Done

Critical reception

• a " great → extra space
• "dumb pop song" → should also be added to the genre
• "captures what’s great about the label [PC Music] – a thumping pop heart wrapped in a tacky Internet Age aesthetic that means you’re never quite sure whether this is music to get inside or to admire from a distance" → use your own words in between the quote.

I meant that you shouldn't have such long quotes. Use more often your own words if you want you can use some part of the quotes you can't say in your own words.MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 23:02, 6 February 2017 (UTC)

"Pink and Blue with introducing PC Music to a broader audience. → need to end quote

Done

Live performances

• Fine.

Done

Track listings

• Use {{spaced ndash}} so there is space between the track and the length of the song.

Done

Release history

• My concerns regarding the source are already Background and release section.

Done

References

• Reflist|30 em → Reflist|2
• Avoid shouting. See reference 13 and 14.

Done

Overall GA review

Please do't put such long texts in my talk page. If you have questions regarding the review just leave them here.MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 23:05, 6 February 2017 (UTC)

I have a few statements and questions in reference to your review of Pink and Blue.

Regarding lead, you said J-pop and UK garage were more than influences, but did not explain what you meant. Rare Candy is not a blog, in its 'about', it says: "Rare Candy is a music magazine based in New York City that focuses on exposing underground music and visual art culture." I also had a music journalism link and did not want to overlink. Would you still like me to link music journalism to 'music critics'? In regards to 'Background and release', you wanted me to include the Pidgeons and Planes reference in 'Critical reception', but it isn't written from the point of a critic, it just details the composition: "The most popular PC Music song to date, according to Soundcloud streams, is Hannah Diamond’s “Pink and Blue.” On May 8, Hannah tweeted, “My first track Pink and Blue has now reached over 100K plays!” It functions well as an aural example of the uncanny valley, the point at which virtual humanity gets too close to realistically representing a human, and our minds instinctively reject it. The song is uncompromisingly sweet, the lyrics are simple and earnest, the backing track spare and soothing. However, that cuteness is pushed to an extreme—Diamond’s vocals seem slightly pitched up, the instrumental complex enough to hint that there could be more going on here. The most naive of sentiments—“We’re falling in love!”—become challenging, off-putting, and ultimately, compelling. A maniacal focus on a single directive is something that really only happens in pop; think Pitbull and his unfailing dedication to all things party. “Pink and Blue” is what happens when you take that approach and apply it to something a little more complicated than shots at the club. The response so far has been, predictably, divided. The primary complaint, something especially applicable to Hannah Diamond or Princess Bambi, is the childlike delivery of the vocals—the tracks sound like a middle schooler’s diary entry in musical form. The thing is, there are bonafide hits, say “Teenage Dream” or “Call Me Maybe,” that could be described the exact same way. This is the infantilization of the female pop star taken to its logical extreme, and it makes for music somewhere between intriguing and uncomfortable." It also was not iTunes available on October 30, 2013, it was just released then, as "Every Night" by Diamond was the first PC Music song available on iTunes, and that would be WP:OR, which is why I'm going to remove the bits about GFOTY and replace it with something else, as that portion was truthfully mentioned on a different blog I remember reading, and I do not want to violate WP:OR. Regarding composition, I was referring the noisey article, whose title was "Trying to Make Sense of Hannah Diamond and Post-Ringtone Music". The sources do not say J-pop or UK garage, they say "Folding in J-Pop twinkle[...]" (see FACT reference regarding it being one of 2014's best tracks), and "pastel-shaded take on UK garage, trappy beats and bon-bon dance-pop" (see CMU reference). I'd say either, but that'd be WP:OR, though with the former, I Googled "folding" to be sure, and found the second definition particularly useful: "cover or wrap something in (a soft or flexible material)." I think that it means the song has more a J-pop influence/aesthetic, but I want to know your thoughts regarding that. I also don't know what you mean about the last portion of the 'Critical reception' section, at all. Thanks, --Aleccat 22:57, 6 February 2017 (UTC)

@Aleccat: I meant they were also genres. Hmm...alright I read blog so I didn't even bother to go on further detail. It's ok, its not overlink you can use in lead and another section of the article. But I wouldn't recommend its use in more than 2 sections in an article, yes I would. I guess you have a point there, please make use of the comparison between "Teenage Dream" and "Call Me Maybe". Doesn't matter, when you calim that you are doig original research and there is no way of verifying it, because the release date is October 30 on iTunes and that's the one. You can use Soundcloud and iTunes to back up everything. If you can find that source is more than fine by me. You can add it. Yes you are right, they are more influences than genres. Don't forget to add pop on the lead as well as in the composition section. "is a pop and bubblegum pop..." You welcome. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 23:24, 6 February 2017 (UTC)

@MarioSoulTruthFan: So I have done everything we have discussed for the article that was stated in the GA review, except I cannot find anything detailing a specific producer for the song. This article heavily implies that "Pink and Blue" was heavily produced by A.G. Cook, however, I do not want to be accused of OR, and I don't think the evidence within the article about the song's inception and creation is strong enough to warrant putting Cook in the infobox as 'Producer'. This song also supports the notion, but it would still be OR. I don't know what you want me to do about this, but I spent a few hours looking for various sources on who produced the song, and came up without a direct answer. Thanks, --Aleccat 22:13, 8 February 2017 (UTC) .

Na not good enough for producer just leave it blank then. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 00:21, 10 February 2017 (UTC)

@MarioSoulTruthFan: Finished what was said and discussed on the review. Your call now. --Aleccat 00:50, 11 February 2017 (UTC)

@Aleccat: you missed a quote. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 13:10, 11 February 2017 (UTC)

@MarioSoulTruthFan: Finished what was said and discussed on the review. Your call now. --Aleccat 00:50, 11 February 2017 (UTC)