Talk:Picross

Requested move 4 October 2024

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: not moved. (non-admin closure) Arnav Bhate (talk • contribs) 18:01, 11 October 2024 (UTC)

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Picross → Picross (video game series) – Picross is the name of the pencil-and-paper puzzle which serve as the basis for these video games, that previously was a redirect to Nonogram which is the more common name for those puzzles. In terms of this move, the pencil-and-paper topic is far more the PRIMARYTOPIC than this video game series which is based off that. Note that this would also mean a recreaction of the Picross to Nonogram redirect after this move. Masem (t) 00:18, 4 October 2024 (UTC)

The first paragraph does mention that the Picross series involve solving nonogram puzzles. I don't disagree with the rename, since it makes it more clear that the article is about a series of video games and not just one game, but i do disagree with Picross redirecting to nonograms. Picross is not a general name for the pen and paper or video game nonogram puzzles. Picross is a registered trademark of Nintendo and is used specifically by them and Jupiter, no other company is legally allowed to call their nonogram puzzles Picross and Nintendo has gone after companies who use the name without permission. The fact that some people use Picross and nonogram interchangeably shouldn't mean they need to be treated the same, it would be like if "Candy Crush" redirected to "tile-matching video game". Mazish (talk) 07:38, 4 October 2024 (UTC)

I agree with Mazish, but a better comparison would be if Ziploc was a redirect for the Zipper storage bag article, and the company with the trademarked name "Ziploc" was moved to "Ziploc (company)". Sure everyone calls the zipper storage bags simply "Ziploc bags", but it still doesn't change the fact they are not actually called that. Same thing for people calling every video game consoles a "Nintendo", or people calling every sealing plastic containers a "Tupperware". Although lots of people erroneously calls nonogram puzzles "Picross puzzles", Picross is still a registered trademark of Nintendo. An example of a video game that used the name "Picross" without permission would be the mobile game "Hungry Cat Nonogram", which was originally called "Hungry Cat Picross" before Nintendo told them to change the name. Overall I agree the name should be moved to "Picross (video game series)", but I think simply "Picross" should be a redirect leading to this specific article, with a specification that "Picross redirects here. For information about the puzzle genre often erroneously named Picross, see Nonogram." Metalex123 (talk) 17:22, 4 October 2024 (UTC)

"Picross redirects here. For information about the puzzle genre often erroneously named Picross, see Nonogram." this is a very good suggestion, and will solve the issue of people searching for Picross while they're looking for info on the more general type of puzzles. Mazish (talk) 19:52, 4 October 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose No reliable source has been presented by Masem proving his assertion. I shall gladly support the move when various sources are given backing up the fact that Picross is a common name for the puzzle only non video game variant. Even then, I think Picross ought to be made a DAB page if the series article continues to exist. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 12:23, 5 October 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose I might as well make my opinion on the matter become an actual vote opposing the requested move. (I am not fully sure how Wikipedia works in terms of voting) If more proof is needed to show that "Picross" is a registered trademark of Nintendo, then here are some proof: Nintendo eShop listing for one of the Picross S games (Note that they all show this), Jupiter's official website for Picross e, and searching for "Picross" on the World Intellectual Property Organisation shows that the name "Picross" is owned by Nintendo. I hope that is enough proof! Metalex123 (talk) 21:14, 5 October 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose for the reasons I already stated above. I disagree with having Picross redirected to Nonogram, but agree with renaming the page to "Picross (video game series)" Mazish (talk) 07:01, 6 October 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose any move. In our Nonogram article, the name picross seems to only refer to Nintendo's game series, making it the primary topic for that name. Also oppose, for now, any move of this to "(video game series)". Many franchises and series have that at the base name without disambiguation (such as Star Fox) and none of the games seem to be titled exactly "Picross" so WP:PARTIAL makes the dab being at the base name less desirable, I'd say. Skynxnex (talk) 14:46, 11 October 2024 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.