Talk:Phoebe Plummer

Neutrality

Think editors need to be careful on neutrality here. Plummer is an activist convicted by English courts and is thus also a criminal. Venividiscripsi (talk) 13:45, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

The word 'criminal' is anything but neutral in this context, because it evokes associations with the organized, serious criminal circuit. It is unnecessary to call them 'a criminal' because - as you yourself say - that information is already in the word 'convicted'. Moreover, they are appealing, the case is not over yet. 2001:1C08:70C:3800:D480:F100:634C:B700 (talk) 17:48, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

Agree with your edit. Appeals not relevant (though could be added). Venividiscripsi (talk) 21:08, 1 October 2024 (UTC)

@Venividiscripsi: The word "criminal" is a value-laden label and its use needs to be supported by reliable sources that use the word to describe the subject. See MOS:LABEL and and the essay about Wikipedia:Crime labels. - Cameron Dewe (talk) 16:35, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

Late to the party, but yes. Venividiscripsi (talk) 17:34, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

Did you know nomination

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• Phoebe Plummer
• Just Stop Oil Sunflowers protest

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• ... that during Phoebe Plummer's May 2024 jury trial over a climate protest, the court finished early on several days due to the heat? Source: https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/article/2024/may/15/uk-climate-activists-convicted-in-first-trial-of-new-anti-protest-laws
  • ALT1: ... that an October 2022 protest involving Just Stop Oil member Phoebe Plummer inspired many activists worldwide to throw food at paintings? Source: https://www.thepinknews.com/2023/11/17/just-stop-oil-phoebe-plummer-prison/
  • ALT2: ... that when Phoebe Plummer faced trial over the Just Stop Oil Sunflowers protest, they was "unfortunate" to draw Christopher Hehir as judge? Source: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/09/30/just-stop-oil-soup-throwing-protests-moral-toddlerhood/
  • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Zero-emission zone in Oxford, Template:Did you know nominations/CyberJoly Drim, Template:Did you know nominations/Ajah Pritchard-Lolo
  • Comment: Plummer was created 27 September, though I did a 5x expansion on 2 October, added Just Stop Oil Sunflowers protest three days later, and added Christopher Hehir two days after that.

Created by Launchballer (talk) and Folkezoft (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 253 past nominations.

Launchballer 03:13, 2 October 2024 (UTC).

POV

@Folkezoft: You added a {{POV}} tag to this article. I believe this to be a fair reflection of the sources, but perhaps you've seen something I haven't? This is at DYK anyway so doubtless the reviewer will pick up on it.--Launchballer 09:35, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

Article reassessment

@Launchballer: I noticed you removed the class assessment while posting your previous comment. I see no reason to change my previous assessment of this article as being Start class at the moment, if that is what you intended to happen. If there was another reason for your edit, then please explain the need to remove the assessment rating. - Cameron Dewe (talk) 16:46, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

I was surprised to see it assessed as that as similarly-sized articles of mine tend to be assessed as Cs and Bs. What is this missing?--Launchballer 16:53, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

This article primarily deals with the subject's criminal convictions for their activist behaviour. While the article covers their education, it doesn't explain what a "Mander Portman Woodward" is and suggests they have only attended school for 3 years. The article also doesn't really explain how they became involved in the "Just Stop Oil" protests nor how their activism evolved over time. The article goes from them reading a paper about climate change to being arrested for protesting as if it was some sort of religious conversion or miracle, without providing any analysis of how they joined any activist organisations. While the change in mindset might have been quick, I don't think it was as sudden as the article portrays. - Cameron Dewe (talk) 17:20, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

Per The Telegraph, Mander Portman Woodward is a college in Kensington. I've added this to the article. I haven't found exactly when they started doing what or how exactly Plummer became involved with Just Stop Oil (although Politico implies that they found the organisation via its activism); might have a rifle through some podcasts.--Launchballer 18:16, 8 October 2024 (UTC)