Talk:Philippine revolts against Spain

What is understood by revolts ?

I read that some of the sections are just plots and conspiracies that never come to anything, Also, some of the "revolts" were directed against fellow countrymen, who were killed for nor following the orders of the conspirators. Finally, some of the "revolts' are just names, with no explanation of any kind and no references whatsoever. Frankly, it seems that someone is trying really hard to project a negative point of view against Spain.

"Struggle for Freedom' 2008, by C. Duka

Furthermore, more than half of the references come from the same book (which by the way is only a Textbook with exercises for students), "Struggle for Freedom' 2008, by C. Duka., The publishing house. RexPublishing.com.ph, specializes in "... Rex titles published, from pre-elementary to law books." I seem unable to find any other references to those "revolts" apart from the ones cited in that book, and I seem also unable to find a single page that provides some kind of details about the academic qualifications of the author. In fact I'm unable to even find one single page about the author himself, even though the book is allegedly from 2008. Nothing at their search facility at RexPublishing either: http://rexpublishing.com.ph This smells very, very, very fishy. —Preceding unsigned comment added by RafaelMinuesa (talk • contribs) 15:56, 18 July 2010 (UTC)

Removed falsely referenced and un-referenced "revolts"

As stated before, there aren't any other references to those "revolts" apart from the ones cited in that book, which is void of any credibility. I have found that some are just isolated incidents that are part of criminal records during Spanish colonial times, involving in some cases just one or two people. Apparently, someone is intent in elevating those police records to the category of "popular revolts" and trying to create an anti-Spanish feeling on the readers of the article. The truth and verifiable truth is that the vast majority of those incidents never grew in importance because the local population sided up with the Spanish colonial government. I haven't checked all of the entries and references, though, but I'm afraid that there are many more that need to be removed or corrected. --RafaelMinuesa (talk) 17:48, 18 July 2010 (UTC)

I think that we should adopt a narrow definition of the term "revolt" and only include either those events that truly constitute "organized opposition to authority; a conflict in which one faction tries to wrest control from another," [1] or those events which are popularly known and written about widely as a "revolt". Simple riots or civil disturbances targeted at selected government officials (as opposed to the government itself) should not be included. Here I am thinking of events like the Rodney King Riots or even the Watts Riots. Neither can be properly called a revolt. Perhaps we could separate these two categories, creating a section for significant revolts that threatened Spanish control and another for those local uprisings that were just violent expressions of outrage. --Bruce Hall (talk) 13:27, 8 March 2011 (UTC)

Merge proposal

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Merge completed. No expansion has taken place since articles were created. -- P 1 9 9  ✉ 21:01, 1 December 2012 (UTC)

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I propose that Dingras Revolt and Cagayan Revolt be merged into Philippine revolts against Spain#Revolts Against the Tribute (1589) since all have the same exact information. --Bruce Hall (talk) 13:01, 8 March 2011 (UTC)

I can support this proposal for now, but ultimately the revolts of 1589 merit their own article. Indeed, if someone can expand Dingras Revolt to (say) six or eight times its present length, it will be top-heavy on the Philippine revolts against Spain page. Moonraker (talk) 06:05, 10 August 2011 (UTC)

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