Talk:Philippine Revolutionary Army

Split

I propose that the List of general officers section be truncated into a brief summary with a {{main}} link to the List of Filipino generals in the Philippine Revolution and the Philippine–American War article. This would be essentially a summary style split. WP:Splitting suggests that such a contemplated split be done boldly, but I prefer to solicit discussion here first.

Alternatively, a WP:MERGE might be proposed, with that other article being merged into this one. If that alternative has consensus support over the split, a merger should be formally proposed.

In any case, two separate articles with this much cross-article duplication should not exist.

Discussion? Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 07:13, 6 April 2014 (UTC)

I support splitting. This article can focus on the Army as an institution -- its structure and organization, its units, its recruitment, its equipment and funding, etc-- and then link to other articles such as the list of generals and other prominent soldiers (as well as the list of battles and an article of military history of the Philippines, etc.). --Iloilo Wanderer (talk) 04:45, 10 April 2014 (UTC)

I've moved the list of general officers back over to that other article. I've also moved some material which was off topic for that article from there to here. Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 03:49, 14 April 2014 (UTC)

Missing history

A historical timeline would include the following significant events

• March 22, 1897 -- Philippine Revolutionary Army was officially formed at the Tejeros Convention
• December 14, 1897 -- The Pact of Biak-na-Bato was signed. This was a truce between the Spanish colonial administration and Aguinaldo's insurgent republic. Aguinaldo and other revolutionary leaders go into exile in Hong Kong. Aguinaldo designated Artemio Ricarte, Captain-General of the revolutionary army, to remain behind to supervise the surrender of arms and to see to it that both the Spanish government and Aguinaldo's officers complied with the terms of the peace pact. (see Artemio Ricarte#Philippine Revolution). Several revolutionary leaders, notably Francisco Makabulos, who established a provisional government styled the Central Executive Committee to serve "until a general government of the Republic in these islands shall again be established", continued hostilities against the Spanish. during Aguinaldo's exile.
• May 19, 1898 -- Aguinaldo is returned to the Philippines from exile in Hong Kong by George Dewey during the Spanish-American War. Aguinaldo immediately begins to reestablish the army and reignite the revolution against the Spanish colonial administration.
• February 4, 1899 -- The Battle of Manila (1899) ignites hostilities against American forces in the Philippines.
• November 13, 1899 -- Emilio Aguinaldo decreed that guerrilla war would henceforth be the strategy, effectively dissolving the Army as a cohesive fighting force.
• March 23, 1901 -- General Frederick Funston and his troops captured Aguinaldo in Palanan, Isabela. General Miguel Malvar took over the leadership of the Filipino government, or what remained of it. He launched all-out offensive against the American-held towns in the Batangas region. General Vicente Lukbán in Samar, and other army officers, continued the war in their respective areas.
• July 4, 1902 -- U.S. President Theodore Roosevelt proclaimed a full and complete pardon and amnesty to all people in the Philippine archipelago who had participated in the conflict against the U.S.
• April 16, 1902 -- General Malvar surrenders. This event is recognized in 2002 by the RP government as having ended the Philippine-American War.

I expanded the list above as I was writing it quite a bit beyond what I originally intended. My original intent was to call attention to what I see as glaring omissions in the current article: No mention of

• The period between December 14, 1897 and May 19, 1898.
• The period from November 13, 1899 to the end of the Philippine-American war

It appears to me that during these periods the Philippine Revolutionary Army ceased to exist as an organized and cohesive fighting force.

Comments? Discussion? Suggestions? Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 04:04, 5 July 2015 (UTC)

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Allegiance

Here, I have blanked the allegiance parameter in the infobox. As far as I can figure out, the allegiance of the PRA was probably to

• Tejeros government from March 22, 1897 to November 1, 1897
• Republic of Biak-na-Bato from November 1, 1897 to December 14, 1897
• unknown following the December 14, 1897 signing of the Pact of Biak na Bato
• Central Executive Committee (Philippines) April 17, 1898 to May 19 (or 24?) June 18, 1898
• Dictatorial Government of the Philippines from May 19 (or 24?) June 18, 1898 1898 to June 23, 1898
• Revolutionary Government of the Philippines from June 23, 1898 to January 22, 1899
• First Philippine Republic from January 22, 1899 to perhaps November 13, 1899, when Aguinaldo decided to disperse his army and begin guerrilla war
• as far as I know, the PRA was never reconstituted after that.

This probably needs some discussion to establish a consensus. Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 04:00, 5 October 2015 (UTC)

First Philippine Republic from January 23, not 22. The First Philippine Republic was inaugurated on January 23, 1899. In fact, the current Philippine government declared it as the First Philippine Republic Day. See this link: https://www.officialgazette.gov.ph/2018/04/05/republic-act-no-11014/ Jhlletras (talk) 10:26, 10 January 2019 (UTC)

Miniatures

There are miniatures of the Revolutionary Army made in the UK (Tiger Miniatures), and the US (ACW Toy Soldiers). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.105.21.144 (talk) 10:22, 12 June 2016 (UTC)

Sakay as a notable commander

This edit, which removed Sakay from the list of notable commanders, caught my eye. The edit summary says, "Sakay was no part of the Revolutionary Army".

I don't presently have reference material at hand, and my internet access is slow and spotty. However, I was able to find two sources ([1] and [2]) which seem to indicate that Sakay was a part of the PRA. I have not reverted his removal from the list, but thought I would mention it here in case someone with more info and better sources feels he ought to be listed there. Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 02:19, 20 September 2017 (UTC)

I will try to look into this, no promises because I am busy. Although one interesting information I observed: If you look at the pictures of Sakay, he is wearing the uniform of the Philippine Revolutionary Army. Jhlletras (talk) 16:47, 10 January 2019 (UTC)

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Response on Nickname "Republican Army"

Response to Enola gay0 on (Undid revision 877584441 by Jhlletras (talk) as a newbie have you review the sources? And please go to talk page before you doing a chances.)

Apologies, I am indeed a newbie in editing Wikipedia, but no need to be an elitist, sir. I just wanted to make sure credible information is posted. No intended defamation/vandalism.

Now, regarding your reply, how can I review the source if no in-text citation was made?

I will not remove it anymore if you have a source, I will just place citation needed. Please provide the in-text citation in the info box. There is a difference between placing the source in the reference list and citing the source in the text/info box. Both should be done as much as possible. Thanks.

P.S. No need to attack me personally too. Jhlletras (talk) 09:50, 10 January 2019 (UTC)

Update: Apparently, already resolved by someone else. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jhlletras (talk • contribs) 11:23, 10 January 2019 (UTC)

Notable Commanders

What is notable about all the commanders in the info box? Notable commanders should only include commanders who have become popular for some reason such as winning battles, dying heroically, influencing the army's strategy and structure, or not surrendering.

Moreover, why is Manuel Quezon part of the notable commanders? Is being president of the Commonwealth of the Philippines qualify him to be a notable commander of the Philippine Revolutionary Army which was in existence more or less 30 years before he became president?

What about Col. Paco Roman? What did he do? Does being an officer or aide of Antonio Luna and being assassinated with him qualify one to become a notable commander?

My proposal for possible notable commanders include:

1. Antonio Luna (in charge of the revolutionary army, tried to transform the revolutionary forces from a militia to an army, established the Academia Militar to be headed by Col. Manuel Sityar, assassinated)

2. Licerio Geronimo (commanded some sharpshooters who killed an American high ranking general - Gen. Henry Lawton)

3. Gregorio del Pilar (won the first phase of the battle of Quingua, even at a young age, and immortalized by the battle of Tirad Pass)

4. Artemio Ricarte (the Father of the Philippine Army, in charge of the Revolutionary Army before Antonio Luna, never swore allegiance to the United States of America unlike other revolutionary generals-this caused him to endure several years of exile)

5. Miguel Malvar (the last to surrender - at least as officially recognized by our current government through the Arroyo administration which is disputed by others who claim that it was Simeon Ola who surrendered last)

6. Manuel Tinio (had a lot of success during the second phase of the Philippine revolution which allowed him to rise through the ranks even at a young age, in charge of the Tinio Brigade which was one of the last, and probably the best, remaining units of the Philippine Revolutionary Army after a series of defeats, carried out a guerilla campaign until the surrender of Aguinaldo)

7. Jose Alejandrino (an engineer who was also part of Aguinaldo's cabinet, must have been instrumental in the construction and structure of the planned Luna Defense line and other trenches of the revolutionary forces, which were at times lauded by the Americans for its complex structure for military purposes)

Disclaimer: I am not saying that this is the end of list, anyone can be added as long as there is sufficient reason that makes him or her a notable commander. For sources: Most of these are based on their own Wikipedia articles but I will also look them up in online and printed sources.

Jhlletras (talk) 10:56, 10 January 2019 (UTC)

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