Talk:Philippe Noiret

Screen debut

The article says he debuted in 1956, but his filmography lists three films before that. User:Zoe|(talk) 19:03, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

infobox image

Hello all- I changed the image in the infobox to one I think is more representative and recognizable, where Noiret is a bit younger. I think we could do better, but there isn't much to pick from on Commons. I don't know much about rights and licensing; does anyone know if there's a way we can use Getty images? There are much better options there. @Jim, any thoughts? Eric ^talk 20:25, 7 March 2017 (UTC)

Well, you can always ask Getty for a free license, but since they make their money by selling licenses, that's probably not going to happen. The other possibility is that Getty sometimes slaps a copyright tag on an image that is PD for one reason or another. If you find an image that you can prove is PD -- published before 1964 in a magazine whose copyright was not renewed would probably be the best bet -- you could use it, but that's going to be a time consuming search. .     Jim . . . . (Jameslwoodward) (talk to me) 22:29, 7 March 2017 (UTC)

Ok, thanks, Jim! Eric ^talk 03:25, 8 March 2017 (UTC)

disagreement regarding the use of the word scholar

Hello YellowFratello, WereSpielChequers, LilHelpa, and Auric. As you have all worked on this article in the recent past, I'm calling your attention to a disagreement between me and another editor regarding a recent change he made to it. I reverted him twice, which prompted him, on his second revert, to place a snarky post on my talkpage, but I think the issue warrants airing here, where it might receive more useful input.

The sentence in question, before and after NoldorinElf's initial change:
before: He was an indifferent scholar and attended several prestigious Paris schools, including the Lycée Janson de Sailly.
after: He was an indifferent student, and several prestigious Paris schools, including the Lycée Janson de Sailly. (note the now-missing attended)

As I read the sentence prior to its elvish transformation, the nuance in the use of the term scholar focuses the referenced indifference onto Noiret's studiousness rather than on him as a person.

Thanks in advance for any input. Eric ^talk 01:34, 4 July 2017 (UTC)

Please see the record for the interaction yourself. But as for the matter of language yourself: I think you can see from any modern dictionary that details contemporary usage that scholar is not used to refer to a student or pupil in general (this usage is quite archaic indeed, at the very least in Britain!), but rather a specialist in a particular area, a highly erudite person, or a holder of a scholarship. I have already provided the link https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/scholar, but he rather oddly dismissed this. Noldorin (talk) 01:52, 4 July 2017 (UTC)

• I'm with Lepricavark on this, to quote their edit summary "setting aside the debate about the word "scholar", you're still rendering the sentence nonsensical" I don't have a strong opinion between scholar and student, the context makes the usage clear. I do have a strong opinion re "attended". As for scholar v student: If the sources indicate that his reason for attending multiple schools was because of his scholastic underperformance rather than some other studentlike misbehaviour then I'd happily move to one side or the other on the scholar student issue. Equally if someone was sent down with a verdict of promising scholar but excessive illegal duelling, then I'd happily go the other way. ϢereSpielChequers 08:23, 4 July 2017 (UTC)
• I agree with WereSpielChequers completely and probably would not have made the change from "scholar". If I had, and it raised objection, I'd leave any reversion alone. --LilHelpa (talk) 13:16, 4 July 2017 (UTC)
• I have no idea what Lepricavark is talking about when he says it renders the sentence "nonsensical". He does not explain this at all. On the contrary, my point is simply that Noiret was not a scholar in any modern sense of the word. Hence the word was inappropriate. Noldorin (talk) 14:58, 4 July 2017 (UTC)

Okay, I see now that I accidentally removed the word "attended". This is entirely beside the point, of course, as the debate was about "student" vs. "scholar". Noldorin (talk) 15:19, 4 July 2017 (UTC)

At no point did you have any idea what any of us were talking about. I should not have had to explain my comment because you are supposed to know what changes are made by your own edit. In the future, if you someday return to Wikipedia, it would serve you well to examine the diffs more closely before you completely dismiss what the other person is saying. The word 'scholar' is almost certain to remain now since you have disqualified yourself from having further input in the discussion. Nice going! Lepricavark (talk) 16:51, 4 July 2017 (UTC)

• I personally would add a link to wikt:scholar and leave it at that.--Auric talk 16:54, 4 July 2017 (UTC)

Not even going to start on the how to you spell the word indicating a building where people act given it is about someone French!! Agree with Werespiel YellowFratello (talk) 09:46, 5 July 2017 (UTC)