Talk:Philip Seymour Hoffman/GA1

GA Review

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Reviewer: Krimuk90 (talk · contribs) 10:14, 25 February 2014 (UTC)

Will be reviewing this in the next couple of days. --krimuk ⁹⁰ 10:14, 25 February 2014 (UTC)

Much appreciated, thankyou!♦ Dr. Blofeld 10:16, 25 February 2014 (UTC)

Thanks Krimuk. If you could leave the last section of "career" until maybe thursday that would be great, I still want to do some stuff on it (hoping to do so tomorrow evening). Cheers! --Loeba (talk) 21:51, 25 February 2014 (UTC)

I'll start the review when you are done, Loeba. Take your time, no worries. --krimuk ⁹⁰ 09:10, 26 February 2014 (UTC)

Ready when you are Krimuk :) --Loeba (talk) 08:11, 27 February 2014 (UTC)

The article is excellent, and at the outset I must acknowledge both Blofeld and Loeba for doing such a great job. This is very much GA-material but I will list a few things that could be tweaked.

Lead

• Won't it be interesting to mention his struggle with drugs and the cause of his death in the lead, now that the autopsy result is out?
  • Done - I agree that it's worth mentioning, but I think there were some people on the talk page who didn't want it in the lead to it may be contentious. --Loeba (talk) 09:59, 1 March 2014 (UTC)
• Storm-chaser, boom operator and hospice nurse should be wikilinked for readers not familiar with these terms.
  • Only I'm worried this will create a "sea of blue", as they say... --Loeba (talk) 09:59, 1 March 2014 (UTC)

Early life

• Is there more information available on his neck injury? Would be interesting to expand on that.
  • I haven't found any info about how it came about, no. --Loeba (talk) 09:59, 1 March 2014 (UTC)

Career

• In the early career, it should be mentioned that Leap of Faith starred Steve Martin in order to avoid confusion.
  • Done --Loeba (talk) 09:59, 1 March 2014 (UTC)
• Why is his character in Boogie Nights described as "pathetic"? A little expansion on his character could be interesting.

You've seen the film haven't you? Because he's a loser basically, and the way he tries to hit on Mark Wahlberg by the car and his response was highly pathetic. It wasn't really a major role so I'm not sure it's worth the detail. I did actually have a quote originally which I rather liked but I think Loeba did the right thing moving it to the article, but it was only a minor role really.♦ Dr. Blofeld 14:17, 1 March 2014 (UTC)

The quote was "His character, Scotty, is a production assistant on a 1970s porn shoot, a lumpy mouthbreather always lurking on the periphery. The most distinguishing thing about him is that he seems incapable of finding a T-shirt that actually fits his doughy torso." On second thoughts it doesn't have any real encyclopedic value and enough relevance to even by in the film article.♦ Dr. Blofeld 14:51, 1 March 2014 (UTC)

It is interesting so I've put it in a footnote. --Loeba (talk) 14:56, 1 March 2014 (UTC)

Blofeld, I have seen the film. I know why he is called "pathetic", but for a lesser-informed reader it would be interesting to know why. But yeah, it's fine now. -- KRIMUK90 ✉ 03:40, 2 March 2014 (UTC)

• Very interesting description on Happiness. Great job guys!
• For Magnolia, "..as a nurse who cares for Jason Robards". You mean the character that Robards portrays?
  • Done --Loeba (talk) 09:59, 1 March 2014 (UTC)
• His role in the 1999 play The Author's Voice is mentioned under the 2000—04 subsection. Any reason why?
  • It used to be down as a 2000 play, but then I found a source that said it was 1999! I figured it was still okay because the whole paragraph is about his rise in theatre and isn't all chronological. Does it look silly though? --Loeba (talk) 09:59, 1 March 2014 (UTC)
• No in-line citation for the nominations he received for Almost Famous.

Can't find a reliable source to support them, maybe not worth mentioning.♦ Dr. Blofeld 14:10, 1 March 2014 (UTC)

• I feel that there are too many quotes from Pomerance. Is there another review for his performance in Synecdoche, New York? If so, I would replace that. But no big deal.

Perhaps, but it is the best quality source we have and he's a leading scholar so I'd say his comments and analysis are superior to most newspaper critic comments. I might replace one. I've removed the Pomerance quote in Almost Famous and the unsourced Chicago and London, Loeba appears to have replaced Pomerance at Synedoche.♦ Dr. Blofeld 14:10, 1 March 2014 (UTC)

I trimmed some of the Pomerance commentary on Synecdoche, but there's still a quote from him in there. I think it's a good one, and since you've removed his thoughts on Almost Famous I think this one can stay? --Loeba (talk) 14:56, 1 March 2014 (UTC)

Reception and roles

• Brilliant! Don't have any comments here. I have to say that reading this makes me greatly miss the man!

Personal life

• Any information available on why he separated from his wife?
  • There was some speculation that he fell for another woman, but I get the impression this was after the separation anyway...I don't think there's any concrete information (from good sources) that we can add at this point. --Loeba (talk) 09:59, 1 March 2014 (UTC)
• Is there reason to have a separate "death" section? It can well be merged with personal life.
  • Blo experimented with this, but it was reverted. I don't really feel strongly either way. I did play around with having a subsection in there for "Addiction problems and death", but I could imagine someone coming along and saying it was undue weight...What do you guys think of that idea? --Loeba (talk) 09:59, 1 March 2014 (UTC)

Yeah I support a sub section under that title.♦ Dr. Blofeld 14:14, 1 March 2014 (UTC)

Now done. Let's see if it lasts! --Loeba (talk) 14:56, 1 March 2014 (UTC)

Filmography, awards and nominations

• Some references for the awards would be good here.
  • Done --Loeba (talk) 10:02, 1 March 2014 (UTC)

Images

• A bit odd to have a picture of De Niro here. I would have added that if there was a picture of them together. This doesn't affect the review, of course.
• It's difficult to spot Hoffman in the image of him filming for The Boat That Rocked. Please point him out in the caption.
  • Done --Loeba (talk) 09:59, 1 March 2014 (UTC)

General comment

• Please remove the duplicate wikilinks, there are a few.
  • How can one access that tool to identify these? --Loeba (talk) 09:59, 1 March 2014 (UTC)

There is a tool in the left hand side of the page, under the "tools" section called "highlight duplicate links". -- KRIMUK90 ✉ 03:40, 2 March 2014 (UTC)

As I said earlier, the article is brilliant. With a few tweaks here and there, this should find its way to the FAC. Good luck guys! -- KRIMUK90 ✉ 03:57, 1 March 2014 (UTC)

Thank you so much for reading through and for being so positive about the article! It's been really good to work on it actually. There are a couple that I wasn't sure about so I've left them for Blo to comment on. --Loeba (talk) 09:59, 1 March 2014 (UTC)

Cheers Krimuk and Loeba. I think all points have been addressed now, although if you spot any outstanding overlinks can you remove them Krimuk?♦ Dr. Blofeld 14:15, 1 March 2014 (UTC)

I think the only outstanding comment is the one about the De Niro image. I don't really mind if it stays or goes. --Loeba (talk) 14:56, 1 March 2014 (UTC)

Uploaded a new image of him in character, claiming fair use.♦ Dr. Blofeld 16:00, 1 March 2014 (UTC)

Nice! I improved the rationale a bit to stop pissy people from removing it ;) --Loeba (talk) 16:24, 1 March 2014 (UTC)

• Thanks for being so prompt. I have no further issues. Happy to pass this.

GA review – see WP:WIAGA for criteria

1. Is it reasonably well written?

   A. Prose quality:

   B. MoS compliance:

2. Is it factually accurate and verifiable?

   A. References to sources:

   B. Citation of reliable sources where necessary:

   C. No original research:

3. Is it broad in its coverage?

   A. Major aspects:

   B. Focused:

4. Is it neutral?

   Fair representation without bias:

5. Is it stable?

   No edit wars, etc:

6. Does it contain images to illustrate the topic?

   A. Images are copyright tagged, and non-free images have fair use rationales:

   B. Images are provided where possible and appropriate, with suitable captions:

7. Overall:

   Pass or Fail:

-- KRIMUK90 ✉ 03:40, 2 March 2014 (UTC)

Thanks Krimuk!♦ Dr. Blofeld 07:51, 2 March 2014 (UTC)