Talk:Peavey (tool)

Photo

I have a Peavey at Home and I can provide a picture for this Article. It should take me about a week to provide the photo from this date --Genjuu Mugon 13:41, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

Tool use

The article is incorrect in the use of the tool. If you jam the spike in, as you can see in the picture, the hook does not have an angle at which to grip the log. When the hook is used, the spike it tangent to and overhanging the log. I came to the article to find out what the point is actually there for. The spike is being used in the picture to push a log in the water, which may have been the use, though the tool is very heavy and short in reach for that purpose. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.24.38.73 (talk) 09:43, 4 October 2014 (UTC)

I agree -- the image does not illustrate the fundamental strength, advantage, and use of the tool. It might as well be standing idle in a shed. Grammar's Li'l Helper ^Talk 19:27, 17 June 2016 (UTC)

It is not used to push the log into the water. It is for rafting the log on the water and other control of (relatively) free movement of the log. I.e., basically it is a "two-in-one" tool: cant hook + pike pole. You are not jamming the spike into the log for canting. You grasp it with the hook, then the short end presses against the log while you leverage the handle. Staszek Lem (talk) 00:14, 18 June 2016 (UTC)

@Staszek Lem: I have worked logs in water. Once they are free floating, a light 15' pike pole is sufficient for rafting -very little force required. A 5' peavey would be too heavy, short, and slow. The peavey is used for the heavy work of getting the logs into the water, breaking up jams, wrestling them out of the water, freeing them of obstructions, and such. Three men with peaveys along the length of a log on dry land can do amazing things. As the article says, the peavey is sometimes called a "cant hook" by those who use it, though the phrase may not be proper in the language of others. Language is not revealed truth, but a record of convention. We should record those conventions, even if they are not totally consistent. Grammar's Li'l Helper ^Talk 06:12, 18 June 2016 (UTC)

@Sfarney: I know what you are saying, but also please pay a closer attention to what I wrote. I was speaking about "2-in-one" tool. Suppose you pry a log off the logjam, now you want to push it away to float free. The blunt end of the cant hook will easily slide off a wet log. Now, you are not carrying the pike pole behind your back like these ninja warriors do, don't you :-) Here Peavey's small but smart improvement comes handy. Yes, some don't bother to use different names for similar tools, just like all planes are just planes to some. Or axes. And so on. On the other hand, one may prefer to use the cant hook because its blunt nose is more gentle to timber. Staszek Lem (talk) 19:37, 20 June 2016 (UTC)

BTW, I agree the picture does not show the way how the tool is used, but it is from a popular book, where it was quite all right for kids. Staszek Lem (talk) 19:54, 20 June 2016 (UTC)

@Staszek Lem: When I first encountered the tool, I was awed by its multiple applications. Not mentioned so far in our discussion, an adept logger can stand on the ground, spike the log, and use the hook (cant) against the ground as a fulcrum to roll the log safely away from him -- a little like a railcar jack[1] but with the cant open. It seems awkward to describe, but the adepts know the tool like their own hand. Grammar's Li'l Helper ^Talk 20:10, 20 June 2016 (UTC)

Bilge pike?

I thought these were called bilge pikes for some reason. I googled it but nothing useful came up, also tried bill pike, but it was all people. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 47.55.176.90 (talk) 18:26, 23 November 2017 (UTC)