Talk:Peadar Clancy

References

I have a number of references to add to this, and will address them over time. --Domer48 (talk) 17:41, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the tidy

Thanks for the help with the tidy up. Can not see the forest for the trees when you have spent some time on it. --Domer48 (talk) 23:45, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

Clean up Tag

I'm removing this tag again because no reason is given. This editor is simply trolling my edits. --Domer48 (talk) 09:02, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

There was a reason given.[1] This is a welcome article to Wikipedia, but like many new arrivals, is in need of a clean-up and copy edit. Some key information is missing, or at least not included in the first paragraph, as required by the Manual of Style (biographies). Do we know when Clancy was born, for example?

I've tagged other articles like this in the past, so please don't take it personal.--Damac (talk) 10:18, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

Damac you say in your edit summary Fenian's what is the correct way to write this thanks. BigDunc (talk) 11:02, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

My problem was with the incorrect use of the possessive apostrophe/Saxon genitive.--Damac (talk) 11:18, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the link for someone like myself with a BA in Literature I hate grammer always got it wrong. Thank God for spell check too. BigDunc (talk) 11:21, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

No problem. I got to really know it after teaching the language to foreigners. Grammar is not that hard; and the fact that they don't teach it in schools doesn't help. Grammar is really important as it helps remove ambiguity and helps us say what we really want to say. This article needs a good dose of commas to make it more clear, and I might oblige if I've time.--Damac (talk) 11:31, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

Regarding his date of birth i've looked at a couple of books I have and cant find it maybe Domer has it or some other editor could help out. BigDunc (talk) 13:01, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

Problems

The text claims Clancy took part in a number of IRA actions after November 1920. This was impossible, as he was executed in 1920. Could Domer48 please check his sources.--Damac (talk) 18:05, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

The date has been addressed. I have expanded the lead to include more details. The Lead is a brief Summary of the entire article, and as it is to brief I have added information. --Domer48 (talk) 19:05, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

The lead had also been copyedited, and I've restored some of these earlier changes. I also felt that the word "overshadowed" was not particularly illuminating in the second paragraph. According to Wikisource, overshadow means "To obscure something by casting a shadow" or "To dominate something and make it seem insignificant".[2] The author doesn't say in whose perception their killings appear to have been overshadowed by the other events mentioned. The three have had barracks and streets named after them, as the article points out.--Damac (talk) 20:11, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

Another issue: the text provided by Domer48 states that the Squad was formed in September 1920, yet the article refers to a number of actions in which the unit was involved before this date. The article on the Squad suggests it was formed much earlier. Could Domer48 please check his sources.--Damac (talk) 20:24, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

Collins took over as Director of Intelligence in January 1919, an Intelligence office was set up over the print shop of J. F. Fowler at 3 Crow Street, just off Dame Street, the nearest I can find to setting up the team that became the Squad is mid July 1919 from The Squad, by T. Ryle Dwyer, p.45/6 ISBN 1-85635-469-5 .--Padraig (talk) 21:34, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

Joe Ambrose has the date as September 1919. I know they were founded in 46 Parnell square, but just have to find a reference. I will go through some of my books and see what date I can get from them. --Domer48 (talk) 21:47, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

Found one p.52 of the Squad, 19th September 1919, at 46 Parnell Sq, which wasthe meeting place of the Keating branch of the Gaelic League.--Padraig (talk) 22:45, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

Bloody Sunday

First of all, congaratulations on starting this article. I had no idea that Clancy still did not have an article in 2008! I just have a small comment on this sentence in the lead:

• "The killing...occurred towards the end of the same day that saw the execution of a network of British spies by the "Squad" unit of the Irish Republican Army and the events of Bloody Sunday 1920, when 14 people were killed in Croke Park by British forces."

Both the killing of McKee, Clancy and Clune and the killing of the spies were among the events of Bloody Sunday (1920). Clancy is as much a victim of Bloody Sunday as any other. May I humbly suggest this as an alternative text for the lead:

• Peadar Clancy (9 November 1888–21 November 1920) was a member of the Irish Republican Army (IRA) who served in the Four Courts garrison during the 1916 Easter Rising and was second-in-command of the Dublin Brigade, IRA during the War of Independence. Along with Dick McKee and Conor Clune, he was killed by his captors in Dublin Castle on Sunday, 21 November 1920, a day known as Bloody Sunday that also saw the execution of a network of British spies by the "Squad" unit of the Irish Republican Army and the killing of 14 people in Croke Park by British forces.

Scolaire (talk) 11:01, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

I would see no problem with adding that.--Padraig (talk) 11:26, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

Sounds much better. No problem with that. --Domer48 (talk) 15:37, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

"he was killed by his captors in Dublin Castle" -> "he was executed by his captors in Dublin Castle"; or change the reference to "the execution of a network of British spies" to "the killing of...". NPOV for everybody. Bastun^{BaStun not BaTsun} 16:54, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

I would agree the killed should be used in all cases.--Padraig (talk) 17:49, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

Irish Version Of Name

Hi Damac are you using the plaque as reference for the correct use of his name? thanks. BigDunc (talk) 12:19, 18 January 2008 (UTC)