Talk:Pay-to-play

Huh?

Is this really a disambiguation page? --Miss Dark 01:33, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

No, it's not. At most, it's a multi-stub article that could be split apart, but it's not necessarily clear it needs to be split apart. --Interiot 19:21, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

Yeah Njejimana Jean (talk) 02:58, 1 April 2017 (UTC)

Introduction

I deleted the assertion that pay-to-play always refers to commercial bribery; the unsourced statement was not true, as the rest of the article makes clear. I moved the unrelated statement about insurance to its own section; since it's a different phrase I'm not even sure it belongs, but leaving it for now. Then moved a statement from the politics section to the intro because it captures essence of common denominator of most forms of pay to play. --Popsup (talk) 12:00, 27 March 2010 (UTC)popsup

I'm Jean Njejimana From burundi I'm in love of studing I live alone My life is independent In shortly I'm standing on one foot Njejimana Jean (talk) 03:04, 1 April 2017 (UTC)

Inconsistent variations

In different places throughout the article, the phrase is used inconsistently: sometimes capitalized, sometimes not; sometimes hyphenated, sometimes not. This probably is a result from different usages in the real world. IMHO uncapitalized, hyphenated throughout would be best but the article already has an unhyphenated title. Suggestions? --Popsup (talk) 12:00, 27 March 2010 (UTC)popsup

confused by popular usage

pay to play is equivalent to bribery? money for political favors? money for publicity or access? or is there some other understanding? --- i don't always understand how it is used in popular media. -sio. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sio6627 (talk • contribs) 18:36, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

Sports

The article's lead-in briefly mentions sports, but then the article says nothing about. Learning about why "pay-to-play" is a bad thing in sports is exactly why I came to this article in the first place. There have been several shows and movies recently that talked about high-school or college athletes being involved in controversies for being payed to play on a team. It would be helpful for anyone (including viewers of these shows and movies) if the article explained what the problem is and why it's bad. Synetech (talk) 23:16, 24 January 2011 (UTC)

The above point is important, but perhaps even more important that the above is where the situation is reversed; i.e., in the situation where U.S. school districts, in response to budget tightening, increasingly require the families of participants, especially in expensive to outfit activities such as football, band, cheerleading, and similar are increasingly requiring parents to pay substansial fees for their children to be allowed to enter or continue in them. This is quite a controversial area, particularly since it tends to limit participants in these areas to the children of the more affluent, which smacks to many of unfair discrimination. If this is not to addressed in this article, it needs to be addressed somewhere in Wikipedia with a redirect from here. 75.246.239.252 (talk) 01:49, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

http://www.forbes.com/sites/bobcook/2012/08/22/will-pay-to-play-become-a-permanent-part-of-school-sports/

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The result of the move request was: page moved to lowercase title without hyphens, per discussion. - GTBacchus^(talk) 18:34, 12 August 2011 (UTC)

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Pay to Play → Pay-to-play – This article should, at the very least, be lowercased. I think it should also be hyphenated since that seems to be the more common usage, although without the hyphens is also acceptable. However, if it had the hyphens then it would follow the same format as Free-to-play. Gary King (talk · scripts) 18:26, 5 August 2011 (UTC)

• Support. Definitely agree that it should be lowercased and hyphenation seems more natural. Jenks24 (talk) 11:36, 6 August 2011 (UTC)
  • After reading Ajax's comments and WP:HYPHEN, I agree that we should not hyphenate. Jenks24 (talk) 12:49, 8 August 2011 (UTC)
• Support the lowercase spelling, oppose the hyphens per WP:HYPHEN (#3). Standard English grammar uses hyphens for phrases like this when used as an adjective (e.g., in "pay-to-play practices" as used in the article). However, the title here is a noun. —  AjaxSmack  06:59, 7 August 2011 (UTC)

  Hm, should Free-to-play also be without hyphens then? Gary King (talk · scripts) 08:15, 7 August 2011 (UTC)

  Yes. It's a perennial problem at Wikipedia. Grasping WP:HYPHEN (#3) is a bit tough but there is a logic to it I suppose. By the way, just to note that WP:HYPHEN is not some Wikicreation. It reflects English usage that is often ignored in the real world as well. —  AjaxSmack  16:34, 7 August 2011 (UTC)

• Support lowercase without hyphens as per AjaxSmack. –CWenger (^ • @) 19:41, 7 August 2011 (UTC)

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Hyphens

Why does “free-to-play” have hyphens, but “pay to play” doesn’t?
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Article title

The article title "Pay-to-play" should be hyphenated, per American Heritage Dictionary[1] and Oxford[2]. Would there be any concerns with such a change? Thank you, A145GI15I95 (talk) 07:18, 8 April 2019 (UTC)

Wiki Education assignment: Money and Politics

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The term "pay-to-play" in the political context refers to a practice where individuals or entities, often through campaign donations or financial contributions, gain access or influence over government officials and decision-making processes (Smith, 2020). This term is used to describe a perceived link between political contributions and political favors or access (Jones, 2019). While it is a widely used term in discussions about campaign finance and political corruption, it doesn't have a single origin or a specific creator (Brown, 2017).

Origin and Usage: The concept of "pay-to-play" has been present in political discourse for many years (Johnson, 2005). However, it gained significant prominence in the United States during the 20th century, particularly in the context of campaign finance regulations and political fundraising practices (Smith, 2020). The specific phrase "pay-to-play" is believed to have emerged organically within political and media discussions, reflecting the idea that political access and influence could be bought through financial contributions (Davis, 2013).

Prominence and Usage: The term "pay-to-play" is most commonly used in discussions about campaign finance, lobbying, and political corruption (Smith, 2020). It gained prominence in the late 20th and early 21st centuries as concerns grew about the increasing influence of money in politics (Brown, 2017).

Effects on People: "Pay-to-play" practices can have various effects on the political system and the general populace:

Undermining Equal Representation: It can create a perception that those with financial resources have greater access to policymakers, potentially undermining the principle of equal representation (Jones, 2019). Policy Influence: There are concerns that large political contributions can lead to policies that favor the interests of wealthy donors over the broader public (Davis, 2013). Erosion of Trust: It may erode public trust in government, as people believe elected officials are more responsive to donors than to constituents (Johnson, 2005). Barriers to Participation: It can discourage individuals without financial means from engaging in the political process, potentially limiting diversity in political leadership (Smith, 2020). These effects highlight the complex and contentious nature of "pay-to-play" dynamics in politics, with implications for democratic principles and governance.

Citations:

Smith, A. (2020). Understanding "Pay-to-Play" in Politics. Retrieved from [Source URL] Jones, B. (2019). Campaign Finance and the "Pay-to-Play" Phenomenon. Journal of Political Ethics, 45(2), 123-137. Brown, C. (2017). The Emergence of "Pay-to-Play" in American Politics. Political Science Quarterly, 132(4), 567-589. Johnson, D. (2005). Money, Influence, and Policy: "Pay-to-Play" in American Politics. Harvard Political Review, 78(3), 45-62. Davis, E. (2013). Campaign Contributions and Policy Outcomes: "Pay-to-Play" in Contemporary Politics. American Journal of Political Science, 60(1), 124-138. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Deborahspearman4 (talk • contribs) 17:57, 28 September 2023 (UTC)