Talk:Patrick Ali Pahlavi

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The result of the move request was: page moved. Vegaswikian (talk) 23:46, 13 July 2011 (UTC)

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Prince Ali Patrick Pahlavi → Patrick Ali Pahlavi –

• Prince Ali Patrick Pahlavi

Is this the subject's current name? he appears to have had a website in which he called himself "PATRICK ALI PAHLAVI".[1] His autobiography at Writers.net says his name is "Patrick Ali Pahlavi".[2] This Italian news site conducted an interview with him in 1992, and it also refers to him as "Patrick Ali' Pahlavi" [3] That interview goes on to say that he has no claim to the throne. Our own article says, without citation, that he was stripped of his royal titles in the 1970s. Given that information, it seems like the article should be moved to "Patrick Ali Pahlavi". Thoughts?   Will Beback  talk  00:06, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

I am new to Wiki so I am using this to talk back. While you're right about his name and details, his official name is no longer Pahlavi nor is he a prince. His official titles were taken away from him in mid 1970s. Moreover, any one can claim a name or a famous last name and that does not make them part of the gang. :-) The fact is that in an interview with Iranian newspaper Rooz Online and Hamshahri, he denounced his royal past and stuck to his current status. Thank you for your attention. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Winston2011 (talk • contribs) 21:48, 10 July 2011 (UTC)

• Why was the article moved to "Ali Patrick Islami"?   Will Beback  talk  05:24, 12 July 2011 (UTC)
  • Don't know but tt shouldn't have been, from what I can see he uses Pahlavi not Islami. - dwc lr (talk) 22:18, 12 July 2011 (UTC)

We can only go by what's published. Most recent references call him "Patrick Ali Pahlavi".   Will Beback  talk  02:31, 11 July 2011 (UTC)

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I am stating the facts. Not imposing my views. You don't seem to know much about the Iranian history. This guy is not a member of the pahlavi family. Has been expelled from the royal court in 1974 after taking up arms against the royal family. His father's marriage was not recognized by the court either. Any one can claim royalty, It won't make them so. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Winston2011 (talk • contribs)

Thanks for replying here. The issue here is what we can verify using published sources. If we're going to assert these things we need to be able to cite them. I see exactly one source which says he changed his name to "Ismaili" in the 1970s, but since then he has used "Pahlavi" as his surname, as can be seen in multiple sources. And we can't say that he was expelled from court, etc, without explicit sources that say so. Unfortunately, thee is a dearth of information on this subject in English-language sources. Are you aware of any Farsi sources that discuss him or the court in more detail?   Will Beback  talk  23:33, 8 August 2011 (UTC)

I to would like to see sources all I have consulted make no mention of expulsion etc. He may have changed his name but he is simply never known as, and does not use 'Islami' himself, so its inappropriate to pretend he does. - dwc lr (talk) 00:28, 9 August 2011 (UTC)

confusion of sons and nephews...

I must admit to some confusion here. Patrick Ali (or Ali Patrick, depending on which part of the article you read) is a nephew of the last Shah of Iran, Mohammad Reza Pahlavi. Also, his nephew Reza Pahlavi would be first in the line to the Peacock Throne. Yet, according to Reza Pahlavi, Reza is the eldest son of the Shah of Iran, Mohammad Reza Pahlavi. Unless the family tree is incestuously convoluted, I don't see how a son can also be a nephew's nephew - something is wrong somewhere... Grutness...wha? 11:53, 6 July 2013 (UTC)

Hello. Thank you for pointing this out. I've changed it. Verdia25 (talk) 14:28, 13 July 2013 (UTC)

Unsourced statement

This:

"He is no longer heir since the late 1960s."

There is neither a source nor an explanation for this statement. The source given, which is a posting by the subject of the article, says only that he was heir from 1954 to 1960. He was not first in line after 1960 because a more direct claimant was born. Since the article elsewhere indicates he is now heir, one of these statements is false. Since this is the unsourced one, I'm removing it.97.91.249.83 (talk) 22:46, 23 August 2018 (UTC)