Talk:Patidar
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Removed large section of uncited history claims edit
Today I removed a large chunk of the article covering the claimed history of the clan, as it made strong claims for Kshatriya origin and descent from Ram that are directly controverted by academic sources (which I've now included in the article). MatthewVanitas (talk) 20:21, 18 April 2011 (UTC)
Skew in sex ratio edit
There is an lurking question regarding the sources supporting the information recently added concerning Kurmi-Patidar marriages and also marriages between Gujarati Patidars and those from other states. They say that there is a perceived problem with the Gujarati Patidar community lacking sufficient brides due to a significant skew in the sex ratio. It is well known that, for example, female infanticide, is still practiced by some communities in India and that female children are more often seen as a burden than they would if in, say, the US or Europe (eg: because of dowries). More often than not in India, a significant skew is a consequence of deliberate discrimination at a young, even pre-birth, stage. Is there some other possible cause? We certainly need to say something. - Sitush (talk) 20:47, 2 January 2019 (UTC)
I am a bit loathe to put something in the article without discussion because I get enough crap thrown at me for perceived insults against castes but, for example, see this story. I would much prefer some academic anthropological/sociological etc source. Perhaps there is something more useful in this one, or this or this. - Sitush (talk) 20:55, 2 January 2019 (UTC)
Some doubts regarding varna and it's application edit
"The varna system comprises Brahmins, Kshatriyas, Vaishyas and Shudras, with those unclassified being untouchables. Broadly speaking, Vaishyas were business people involved in moneylending, trading and similar activities, while Shudras were manual workers" --- Where is the evidence that those 'unclassified' were 'untouchables' ? What about the 'tribal' communities or groups like Lingayaths ? Which authority traveled from place to place across the whole of india and provided such 'classification' to the thousands of endogamous groups ? Most communities had no idea which varna they belonged to during the colonial census.
The above line in the article also mentions that Shudras were manual workers. I believe this has been taken from some DharmaShastra like Manu Smriti. However, as per Arthashastra, duties of the Sudra are serving the twice-born (dvijati), agriculture, cattle-breeding, and trade (varta), the profession of
artisans and court-bards.
How do we reconcile with such inconsistencies ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Timdrake91190 (talk • contribs) 11:59, 2 June 2019 (UTC)
Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 20 January 2024 edit
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LochanPatel (talk) 08:57, 20 January 2024 (UTC)
"After Gujarat, Madhya Pradesh accounts for the second-largest population of Patidars, followed by Rajasthan. In Madhya Pradesh, the entire Malwa-Nimar region and some parts of the Bhopal division have a majority of Patidars. In Rajasthan, the Vagad-Mewad belt similarly accounts for a large Patidar population."
Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. ARandomName123 (talk)Ping me! 23:27, 20 January 2024 (UTC)
