Talk:Parent management training/GA1

GA Review

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Reviewer: Jaguar (talk · contribs) 15:47, 6 June 2015 (UTC)

I'll take this JAGUAR  15:47, 6 June 2015 (UTC)

Initial comments

• "(PMT)" - initials should not be in bold, per WP:BOLD

WP:BOLD is about being bold in one's editing and that seems to have noting to do with the bolding of "PMT". So I guess Jaguar (talk · contribs) meant "per MOS:BOLD". "(PMT)" is, in fact, not bolded, only "PMT" is bolded. MOS:BOLD says that "The most common use of boldface is to highlight the first occurrence of the title word/phrase of the article, and often its synonyms, in the lead section." and I think that "PMT" is a synonym for "Parent Management Training" so this seems to be a correct use of bolding according to WP:MOS guidelines. If Jaguar has a correct citation that shows otherwise, please post. It is, of course, easy enough to correct this if there is a reason.Tadamsmar (talk) 20:34, 27 June 2015 (UTC)

Sorry about that, my mistake. I sometimes confuse myself with putting "WP" instead of "MOS". You can keep the initials in bold if you like JAGUAR  11:26, 29 June 2015 (UTC)

• "diagnosed with Oppostional Defiant Disorder and Conduct Disorder" - can these disorders be linked for reference?

Done.Tadamsmar (talk) 21:24, 27 June 2015 (UTC)

• "such as aggression, hyperactivity, temper tantrums, and difficulty following directions" - even though I'm not qualified to suggest anything on the subject, what about ADHD/ADD? Tantrums are very common in children (believe me)

Talk:Parent_management_training#Other_conditions_in_lead explains why ADHD/ADD is not addressed in the lead. It is addressed in the body. Jaguar, is your comment "Tantrums are very common in children (believe me)" meant to be an action item or just an offhand remark? I am trying to address your action items and I am having trouble figuring this one out.Tadamsmar (talk) 21:24, 27 June 2015 (UTC)

Sorry, that was just an offhand remark. I have a lot of children in my family and have had to live with a lot of things... JAGUAR  11:26, 29 June 2015 (UTC)

• Unsure if the lead fully summarises the article, which is a GA requirement. I didn't see anything on the technique, limitations and history sections
• "...all contribute to early-onset conduct problems; the resulting costs to society are high" - what does this mean?

Revised to use a direct and more clarifying quote about costs from the referenced review paper.Tadamsmar (talk) 13:04, 28 June 2015 (UTC)

• "s/he has achieved the end goal of getting out of the chore" - sounds informal.

Revised to use the more formal language of Functional analysis (psychology), and provided a link to same. Note that informal language and explanations are used in the delivery of PMT to parents since almost all parents are layman. But PMT can be discussed the more formal language.Tadamsmar (talk) 13:46, 30 June 2015 (UTC)

• Some sentences out of the Technique section may contain WP:OR, I am seeing some weasel words and would benefit from a copyedit
• " (such as praise, smiles, and hugs)" - again, quite informal

The context of this quote is "social rewards (such as praise, smiles, and hugs)". The informal part is just there to explain the more formal term "social rewards". It's my understand that "social rewards" is a proper formal technical term in psychology, and it is always defined using terms like attention, praise, enthusiasm, smiles, hugs, touch, high fives. If this is a show stopper, then we could leave the term "social rewards" undefined or use an external link or create a Wikipedia page for "social rewards", but that would just bury the informal definition/explanation of the term "social rewards" out of immediate sight. I did add "attention" to the list since it's viewed by some experts as the most important social reward.Tadamsmar (talk) 14:14, 30 June 2015 (UTC)

• "For mildly annoying but not dangerous behavior" - what is this meant to mean? More WP:WEASEL

Changed to "For unwanted behavior that is not dangerous or aggressive". This is a much more accurate description of PMT guidance in my opinion.Tadamsmar (talk) 14:36, 30 June 2015 (UTC)

• " Parents also learn to remove their child's privileges, such as television or play time" - more unencylopedic phrases

revised to remove "play time"Tadamsmar (talk) 20:20, 17 July 2015 (UTC)

• The red links in the Programs section would be better of being removed if not notable

removed red links, added links to External Links section so that all programs have either an external link or a link to its Wikipedia page.Tadamsmar (talk) 02:57, 26 July 2015 (UTC)

References

• No dead links, and all the refs are formatted correctly, so this meets the GA criteria

Close - not listed

I am sorry to do this, but I am failing this on grounds of original research concerns, the majority of the prose contains informal content and numerous weasel words which would benefit from a serious copyedit in order for this to meet the GA criteria. Please let me know if you need to ask anything JAGUAR  22:10, 6 June 2015 (UTC)