Talk:Paratheria (mammals)

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A fact from this article appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the "Did you know?" column on June 16, 2011.
The text of the entry was: Did you know ... that according to the Paratheria hypothesis, sloths, armadillos, anteaters, and allies are neither marsupials nor placentals?

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Reviewer: Keilana (talk · contribs) 23:05, 16 June 2012 (UTC)Reply

Hi Ucucha, I'm working on a review and will post my thoughts here as I go along; I'll also copyedit as I go along. Thanks! Keilana|Parlez ici 23:05, 16 June 2012 (UTC)Reply

  • Are there any pictures of animals included in this group?
  • Can you gloss xenarthra?
  • I'm not sure the lead adequately explains what the Gondwanatheria have to do with all this. Glossing Gondwanatheria may help with this problem.
  • "He found that the "Edentata"—a group in which he included the anteaters, armadillos, and sloths that are still included in Xenarthra as well as the pangolins and the aardvark—were especially distinctive." is unwieldy and I'm afraid to rewrite it, as I don't want to screw up important facts.
  • "He derived edentate teeth from the first stage in his model of mammalian dental evolution" - I'm confused as to what this means exactly.
    • Thomas had a complicated model for the evolution of mammal teeth (I haven't myself tried to understand all of it), and he thought edentate teeth derived from the first stage in that model. I hope that is now clearer. Ucucha (talk) 13:41, 17 June 2012 (UTC)Reply
  • How did aardvarks get involved? That sentence ("Thomas was unable, however, to provide a satisfactory scenario for the origin of the aardvark's wholly unique dentition") needs a better transition/explanation.
    • Thomas included aardvarks among the edentates, but it is not clear that he considered them to be part of Paratheria. I hope this is now clearer in the article. Ucucha (talk) 13:41, 17 June 2012 (UTC)Reply
  • Can you explain the distinction between Xenarthra and Edentata in these taxonomies? I get that each taxonomist treated them differently, but I'm not getting an impression of how.
  • What does "within a cohort Paratheria" mean?
  • What is an infraclass?
  • What is a eutherian?
  • Can you gloss "pantothere"? (This isn't integral to the article, I don't think, so if you don't want to, the wikilink is fine.)
  • I think this could do with just one sentence at the end to wrap up and confirm for the lay reader that, yes, Paratheria isn't a thing anymore.

My caveat with this is I'm not a biologist, so I'm reviewing as the average lay reader. Apologies if this is a little "Keilana-from-Boise" esque! This was one of the most educational articles I've had the pleasure of reviewing, thank you. Keilana|Parlez ici 00:36, 17 June 2012 (UTC)Reply

Thanks for your review. I don't have time right now to respond in full (probably later today); I'll just say that the history of a concept like "Paratheria" is confused even further by frequent changes in nomenclature for other groups. I believe "Edentata" was more popular earlier, while "Xenarthra" is now, but "Edentata" also often refers to a somewhat broader group (Xenarthra is sloths, armadillos, and anteaters; Edentata adds pangolins and sometimes aardvarks). No doubt this confusion could be explained in a clearer way in the article, so I'll try to do that. Ucucha (talk) 07:56, 17 June 2012 (UTC)Reply
Sounds good to me. Thanks! Keilana|Parlez ici 13:04, 17 June 2012 (UTC)Reply
The sloth is ridiculously cute! I also like the conclusion - I have a far better sense of how Paratheria became deprecated now. I'm still a bit confused as to what fish have to do with aardvarks, otherwise that explanation is fine. I'm also okay with the Edentata distinction; that's all I needed. Thanks! Keilana|Parlez ici 17:47, 17 June 2012 (UTC)Reply
The only teeth comparable to aardvark teeth that Thomas could find were some fish teeth. I'm not sure how to make that clearer in the article. Ucucha (talk) 17:55, 17 June 2012 (UTC)Reply