Talk:Pap-Ion Magnetic Inductor

Recent inappropriate edits

Various inappropriate edits have been made recently to this article by several accounts who appear likely to be the same user.

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The edits from these accounts strongly suggest a conflict of interest. Note also that all the spam and outright disruption on this talk page is the result of these same accounts.

The final paragraph currently is overtly biased and unencyclopedic. There is a link asserting a license by Health Canada which I cannot get to work, and contradicts the working link in the article. The manufacturer's site is not a reliable source for clinical studies, and at a minimum the article should make it clear that these are claims of the manufacturer and not from reliable independent sources. The statement that "the Papimi device has been tested and proven to be safe" is directly contradicted by sources. I suggest that the user of these accounts immediately attempt to reword the material to conform to proper encyclopedic standards, and it would be helpful if that user would also remove the outright disruption from this talk page. Tim Shuba (talk) 19:51, 17 September 2011 (UTC)

Globalize tag rationale

I put the above tag on the article because apart from the first sentence this article is focused entirely on the legal status of the device in the US and Canada. Lesion 16:17, 16 April 2014 (UTC)

The US and Canada were the first markets where it was actively promoted, using a loophole in the law. Although the maker fled back to Greece, I have looked for evidence of significant activity in Europe and can find none. This is probably due to the EU member states' laws on licensing of medical devices, which are different to those in the USA and don't offer the same easy loophole. The device is promoted as legal in the EU based on a CE mark, but that is a mandatory minimum requirement for any product sold in Europe and does not have any relevance at all to licensing status. I saw some attempts to promote it (e.g. entering it in a competition for scientific breakthroughs, yielding a characteristically uncritical single sentence in the Daily Mail) but I still have not found any reliable independent sources in English for its use in the EU, and my French and German are not sufficiently technical to be able to read sources in those languages. A few quack clinics use them but I don't see any prosecutions for this yet.

Overall it's less widely promoted than the Rife machine, and the inventor is less colourful than Bill Nelson of EPFX fame. It's conceivable that the various forms of this scam could be swept up into a single article and that might reduce redundancy. Guy (Help!) 17:45, 16 April 2014 (UTC)

If merging to a single article, the pubmed result (singular) for this device used the term "Pulsed electromagnetic fields generator" (PEMFs). Not sure if that description would also fit the Rife machine, whatever that is. Or even, merge it back to energy medicine (from whence it came). Lesion 17:53, 16 April 2014 (UTC)

EPFX sounds more complex than PAP-IMI in that it (supposedly) reads the body's frequencies and sends specific balancing frequencies based on those readings. Lesion 18:01, 16 April 2014 (UTC)

EPFX is not complex at all really, it's basically no different from the e-meter or a lie detector. Not even very original. The rife machine can be seen at Royal Rife (it angers me that this crap is still being sold and promoted). Guy (Help!) 19:01, 16 April 2014 (UTC)

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