Talk:Palo Alto, California/Archive 1

You have a stamp of "guilty" in your forehead

"From 1846–1848, the United States and Mexico were at war (see Mexican-American War), which concluded with U.S. conquest of California and New Mexico. Mexican land grants became targets of the Americans settlers and tycoons. Although if it must be considered that seventy years earlier the Mexicans had done much the same to the native California Indians and fewer are telling tales about their losses and historic figures."

The author of this piece in really is telling us, "ok we came here, we made a conquest, stoled this territory, but also the Mexicans did it with the native Californians, so I do not feel so bad of what we did". --User:Mavila2

Two caltrain stops or three?

This article says "Caltrain has two stops in Palo Alto", but Caltrain (and the Caltrain timetable) list a "Stanford - event service only" stop between University and California. I can't quite figure out where it does stop - is there a stop where the train crosses Embarcadero (which would be relatively handy for the football)? Or does this entry in the timetable really just mean a stop at University Ave? -- Finlay McWalter | Talk 02:13, 24 Jul 2004 (UTC)

I believe that it stops right before Churchill Ave., next to the PA High School track. Since this is only for standord events, I didn't list it. You're welcome to work it in. --ChrisRuvolo 23:28, 24 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Hmm, I've never noticed it (must look next time I'm in town). I've added it, and clarified bus service a bit. Thanks for the info. -- Finlay McWalter | Talk 23:43, 24 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Yeah, it is hard to see. It isn't really a train stop so much as a strip of asphalt beside the track, kind of like the old Rengstorff Ave stop in Mountain View. --ChrisRuvolo 00:32, 25 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Ok, I was mistaken. Official Caltrain literature says "Embarcadero Rd. & Alma St." It IS just a strip of pavement (I saw it this weekend), but I was remembering it in the wrong place. Correcting article. --ChrisRuvolo 01:07, 20 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Hrmm... there is a California Ave. station and a University Ave. station.

--the MOLIU gecko 00:53, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

I don't know if caltrain ever stops there anymore, but the stanford stop was just north of embarcadero; i did get on the train there once (when FIFA world cup was at stanford stadium)

The Stanford stop is used only when there are games starting or recently finished at Stanford's stadium, courts, or fields. If you're headed to such a game, or coming back, it's easy to catch the train there, but otherwise you might never know about the stops -- they don't note them on http://www.caltrain.org/ as far as I can tell. --James S. 01:07, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

North vs. South snobbery?

Well, as a resident of South I'm a bit surprised at the emphasis on North vs. South in this article. Who cares? I'm sure the guy who bought the $2.5 million dollar house around the corner from me would be surprised to learn that all of the nice expensive houses are in the north part of the city. More to the point, Is this the second most important thing to discuss in an article on Palo Alto?

I agree. I removed a little of this while rephrasing the paragraph. It isn't just S. Palo Alto which has rather "average middle class" style housing stock. Downtown, W. of Middlefield is predominantly that too. I agree that the intro could still use much improvement. Sfba 00:16, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

Small articles like this, which have been worked on seriously by only a few people, tend to be rather unbalanced. I do think the article should mention the urban form of the city (mature city articles often do), but indeed it's not the most important thing about PA. I don't really think it's snobbery (I'm a former south-central PA resident myself), but PA does have a reputation of being only mansions, when really that's largely not the case (and the fact is, I think, significant enough to merit a mention). The article certainly needs more stuff added about the city and its form. We need, I figure:

• a sentence or two about university ave and the central biz district (wasn't the apple store the first one?)

(absolutely PA apple store was not the first)

(didn't webTV start in that crappy building on Alma beside the watertower opposite the caltrain station?)

(that was their second place at best. Lytton near Waverly was earlier.)

• it really needs a map (which, legally, someone needs to draw)
• PA goes to the bayshore (I think) south of EPA, so some discussion of that would be good
• unless I'm very much mistaken, the Sun office on San Antonio is no longer Sun (could someone check?)

• yes- it is now the JCC - the MOLIU gecko 01:08, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

• someone added highschools, but other schools (and the DeAnza campus on middlefield) could be discussed briefly too

• it's Foothill's middlefield campus... not DeAnza's -the MOLIU gecko 01:08, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

So yes, the article is unbalanced. We'd really appreciate your help in adding more stuff to balance and enrich the article. -- Finlay McWalter | Talk 00:52, 29 Aug 2004 (UTC)

I live in the South and thouhgt the article's descriptions pretty accurate. I agree it is perhaps an odd thing to feature, but serves the article as a way to characterize geography and real estate. --

Rather than focus on the rather old fashioned North vs. South demarcation, the article misses the point that Palo Alto is a very diverse city with a mix of neighborhoods that make it a very interesting place to live and visit.

The main problem with the North-South split is that it just isn't very accurate. Yes, there are some "elegant homes" north of Oregon, but there are lot more "nice suburban homes" (including a fair number of Eichlers) on plots that most American suburbanites would consider tiny. Furthermore, there are some *very* nice houses south of Oregon. It's hard to know how to fix the article -- maybe by just removing the whole North-South structure? Little Miss Might Be Wrong 22:57, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

Palo Alto Schools

I've seen Gunn High school ranked a couple times well within the top 1 % of high schools nationally, so maybe the "at least by California standards" caveat about school quality could be misleading, since California is near the bottom by many educational metrics.

• Where do you see the statement "at least by California standards?" I don't see it anywhere. If you're talking about the statement on the high school page, it simply lists the high school's rank in the state and the nation. No caveat. Wodan 01:49, Oct 1, 2004 (UTC)

I've seen Pinewood School listed here even though it's in Los Altos and Los Altos Hills. Would someone please explain why it belongs in the PA article when "most of the students are from Los Altos Hills/Los Altos area"?Bayberrylane 22:18, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

"Juana Briones Elementary has a student/teacher ratio of 14.4 [1]." Despite that, Juana Briones consistently receives (among) the lowest STAR (standardized testing) scores in the district. the MOLIU gecko 01:24, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

There's no mention that there used to be another high school... Cubberley H.S., on Middlefield Road, plus there was a another junior high school as well... Terman J.H.S. on Arastradero Road, just a block or so down the road from Gunn H.S., the newest of what was then for a while three high schools (Perhaps I'm just being a bit sensitive since I was a graduate of both Terman and Cubberley). —Preceding unsigned comment added by Chrisinsobe (talk • contribs) 12:50, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

Vagrants / Bums / Homeless

Palo Alto is unsual in the large number of vagrants, bums, and homeless people who congregate on University Avenue. Typically, "affluent" communites don't have these problems. They're there mostly because the Stanford crowd pays them to be there. Perhaps there should be some mention of this troubling phenomonon? - - Author Unknown I do not agree with the Vagrants, bums and homeless statement above. I've lived here my entire 49 years. Palo Alto, like many successfull cities, has a perportionate number of homeless people. I'm a renter, however, my mom owns a house in Palo Alto. If my mom were not here, I would be a paycheck away from being homeless. I'm single and a renter and acknowledge that rents are EXTREMELY high here (typically, about $2000 for a 1-bedroom apartment). Some of the haves here in Palo Alto, possibly the writer of the above, do not want to see these folks in our downtown shopping area. However, most of the haves and people like me, understand that there are reasons for homelessness (addictions, mental health, unemployed, no family resourses) and we do what we can to help them when we can. We are the ones who will help them, as opposed to what the writer above refers to as the Stanford croud paying them. At $38,000 tuition per year, the "Stanford Crowd" aren't the most charitible for good reason.

Palo Alto has sometimes been referred to as a victim of its own success. Palo Alto has a huge jobs / housing imballance. Palo Alto has some of US's top companies, (i.e., HP, Lockheed, XROX, etc.), law firms, and many other busnesses, however, we have more jobs than housing.

In any event, if anyone wants to know more about Palo Alto, call me at the above number.

What a load of crap. $2000 for a 1BR? You're not looking hard enough. Those are Manhattan prices. There are deals to be had, and they don't involve living on El Camino or bordering 101. I've *never* seen a homeless problem in a suburban area like Palo Alto before. Palo Alto has an attrocious homeless problem for a community of its size and it bears mention because it is so unusual. --ChrisRuvolo (t) 22:58, 1 November 2005 (UTC)

Andrew Freedman here again - $2000 is the average, but I looked hard enough and I live in a very small place for under $700. But I have no kitchen. That's okay with me; I just buy prepared food at places like Whole Foods.

I don't know the demogrphics of Palo Alto's homelessness, but I would suspect, as in the case of many homeless folks, that it's a matter of choice. That is, one would rather do drugs and alcahol in excess than to do the things that would buy them a place to live. I'm not at all saying that there are others who, by way of illness, including mental health, lost job and other non-drug-related reason, are un-housed.

If I remember correctly, Palo Alto passed a law a while back that made sitting directly on the sidewalk a ticketable offense to try to curb some of the soliciting. Not sure if it is still in effect or enforced or what. Either way, people in Palo Alto are very generous and many of the homeless come from SF in hope of a better life (as they have described it to me, at least). Apparently being homeless in SF is very cut-throat... literally. aerotheque (talk) 07:51, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

Many years ago, I lived right where that old picture of Palo Alto is (at the main Palo Alto page of this Wikipedia). My girlfriend was a bartendress at one of Palo Alto's last hole-in-the-wall bars (located in the same area of the picture). I got to know all the homeless folks, including some holdouts of the Marry Pranksters from Tom Wolf's The Electric Kool-Aid Acid Trip. They all took drugs and drank, but they adapted well and weren't simply bumming or breaking the law. Kind of like the folks in John Steinbeck's Cannery Row. - Andy

PAUSD school board info moved from article

It seemed a but too detailed:

The PAUSD school board members are Mandy Lowell, Gail Price, Camille Townsend, Barb Mitchell and Dana Tom. Mitchell and Tom are the newest school board trustees; they were elected to the board Nov. 2005. The PAUSD Board of Education meets at 7 p.m. the 2nd and 4th Tuesdays of the month. The board meetings are open to the public and cablecast live on Cable Services Channel 28 in Palo Alto.

-- Egil 07:16, 20 January 2006 (UTC)

Replacing; this is good information, of the nation's exemplar district. --James S. 01:58, 25 March 2006 (UTC)

Exemplar? Plenty of better districts around:

District name	FTE student/teacher ratio
WOODSIDE ELEMENTARY	12.3
PORTOLA VALLEY ELEMENTARY	14.1
LA HONDA-PESCADERO UNIFIED	14.6
HILLSBOROUGH CITY ELEMENTARY	15.6
LAS LOMITAS ELEMENTARY	16.0
MENLO PARK CITY ELEMENTARY	16.6
REDWOOD CITY ELEMENTARY	17.5
PALO ALTO UNIFIED	17.6

--171.66.111.77 01:45, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

I probably shouldn't even bother, but I'd venture to say that student-to-teacher ratio shouldn't be one's only measure of an exemplary school district. Seijihyouronka (talk) 19:37, 25 December 2007 (UTC)

Environmental Features - Radiohead

this item under environmental features does not seem noteworthy nor does it belong where placed. further there is no source...it seems like this item shoul be removed, sincerely Anlace 15:07, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

I agree. Bayberrylane 22:21, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

People

Why is Woz listed as a PA resident? Pretty sure he lives up in the hills in Los Altos..

Someone has already removed him, but according to the Baltimore Sun and Los Gatos, California, he lives in Los Gatos. aerotheque (talk) 06:13, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

Too much detail

Do we really need all that fire department radio frequency detail in a general article about Palo Alto?

The large amount of un-wikified content seems to suggest that maybe this is copied material. I'll try to see if it's infringing anything (by googling?) Can someone verify? Nimur 15:19, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

I agree that a lot of this content is fluff -- this article needs to be pruned for readability/style, in my opinion. Seijihyouronka (talk) 19:34, 25 December 2007 (UTC)

Condensed. It probably still needs some cleanup, but I cut out everything but the highlights. --76.216.9.107 (talk) 05:45, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

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Name of the town

Palo does in one context mean "pole", but here it means tree. It is a common enough term in Spanish (also means "mast" on a ship, and has a few other meanings). Cf. Palos Verdes, CA, and the famed Puerto Rican rum Palo Viejo, whose logo is a Norfolk pine. My Spanish is at a level of mastery (I edit in it, translate it, etc.). So, I've added that context. Andarin 16:23, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

"Palo" can also mean "wood" or "timber". I have changed it to "timber" on the page and if anyone has something better, throw it out there. But it was "stick" previously - maybe someone got that from babelfish because it isn't a very good translation. aerotheque (talk) 07:40, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

"palo" only means wood when you're referring to the material of an item (e.g. "the wooden door; la puerta de palo"), otherwise you say "madera" when referring to say lumber. The "stick" definition of "palo" actually makes a lot more sense grammatically. 2CrudeDudes (talk) 16:52, 10 December 2010 (UTC)

I'm from Chile. The most acurate definition is Stick. Maybe the historical context of the founding of the city is closer to a dead tree or a branch. I think it's realy hard to find any sense understanding "palo" like a normal tree, "mast", wood , pole or timber. Andarin seems realy sure, but he's wrong in 90% of what he says.:

Actually, it's moot. The entire section about the long and glorious history of the Two Sticks should be removed. Before the 1880's there was nothing there but a hay field. Mayfield was the city that existed there. Palo Alto is an invention of Leland Stanford as spite for the fact that Mayfield would not go dry for him. When Mayfield said, "No thanks" Stanford put in a train station right on the edge of Mayfield (easy to do when you own the railroad) and invented the whole Palo Alto schtick. It's hooey. Go read the real written history of the area instead of some revisionist gossip on wikipedia. Look at the photo : there's nothing there there. That's cuz the town is to the south of the train station in the middle of nowhere.

Yes, I have an axe to grind. My great-great grandfather bought the first parcel in what became Mayfield, and my great grandfather was the first (white) child born there. (Probably had Indians born there before that :)) Personal info doesn't fly here, that's fine, but the real history of the city is written down elsewhere. The post-facto invention of Palo Alto's ancient history is a fantasy. 210.22.142.82 (talk) 11:58, 12 April 2015 (UTC)

I'm unclear what your point is. I could easily believe that the city was effectively founded by the Senator Stanford and his railroad. Are you saying that the Portola Expedition did not camp at El Palo Alto? If you had a reliable source for your family history, what exactly would you want to change in this article?—Stepheng3 (talk) 16:57, 14 April 2015 (UTC)

The point was, all the hoo-haw about the long and glorious history of Palo ALto is untruthful. It's even described in this article : around 1850 Mayfield was born. Shortly afterwards it grew to town-size. There was no Palo Alto dating back to ancient explorers. Sure, maybe (or more likely not) some people said, "Meet you at the tall sticks !" but that does not mean there is any history of Tall Sticks being a city in any way. In fact, all this talk of tall sticks really smacks of a whitewash. There WAS a Mayfield there tho.

Mayfield was a city, Stanford did his spite fence trick (again) and now a lot of people who moved to California in 1993 are raving about the long and glorious history of Palo Alto.

Sorry, it's a fraud. Before Stanford built his train station there was nothing there but a hay field.

Oh well :D The world today is more interested in fairy tales, so there it is. 210.22.142.82 (talk) 06:50, 7 June 2015 (UTC)

The history of the name "Palo Alto" attached to a particular tree or Palo Alto the town? The time line as I know it is: Tree noted in history by the Portola expedition in November 6–11, 1769, noted again in 1774 and actually shown on a map in 1776. In 1876 Leland Stanford purchased the initial lands of what was to become the Palo Alto Stock Farm. Sometime between 1769 and 1876 the name 'El Palo Alto' was attached to the tree (that might be an interesting fact to track down). While Stanford University was being founded on the site of the Palo Alto Stock Farm, the town Palo Alto was created to act as the railroad station and supporting community because Mayfield wouldn't go dry (Mayfield was later annexed). I note that all of this is in the article. The history section contains not also the history of the town post naming but also the history of the current area of the town prior to its current naming (just as a history of New York City includes its history when it was New Amsterdam [though a separate New Amsterdam article also exists]). Note that Mayfield wasn't the only area that Palo Alto annexed (I think Barron Park annexed in 1975 was the last). Given sufficient notability (a judgement call I'm not going to make) Mayfield might deserve its own article; it would require some people willing to work on it (Barron Park is the other potential article for an area in current Palo Alto that might be justified) --Erp (talk) 04:17, 8 June 2015 (UTC)

No parking meters? Really??

I could have sworn that there are parking meters along University. Can anyone confirm/deny? (Little Miss Might Be Wrong 23:48, 1 November 2006 (UTC))

I have seen parking meters as well at the University (User:Tsachi Ganot 23:48, 21 April 2018 (UTC))

Yes, I can confirm. I've walked, driven, or parked on University almost every day for the past 30 years. I live 3 blocks away. There are no, repeat no, parking meters.

202.82.33.202 10:02, 22 September 2007 (UTC)This is correct. I was there in April. No parking meters on University Avenue how cool is that. The problem: no parking spaces, and you usually end up on a parallel street, feeding a parking meter. To get an unmetered space on University becomes a video game, involving stopping, trying to discern the intention of a pedestrian, whether he is going now to his car, whether he has enough class to park un University Avenue, etc., and then following him down the street and then waiting, while cars stack behind you, while DorkBoy finds his keys, opens his door, turns on his sound system and A/C, and finally drives away.

Housing prices - Need source

The article states about housing prices: "with the median being in the $1.05 million area".

This is laughable for anyone who has shopped for a home in Palo Alto (I have been for the past year and a half). $1.05 Million gets you a literal tear-down. $1.25M gets you a 1300 or so sq ft post-war cottage on a 5000 sq ft. lot in South Palo Alto. This is an entry level home. You may be able to find an apartment/condo conversion for $1.05.

Any median price quote should be sourced.

OK, I added a cite. Note that the #'s you quote are for single family homes -- Palo Alto has many condos which go for less than a $million. Sfba 00:16, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

More like $1.5 million for a Palo Alto condo these days, minimum. See Zillow. Rairden (talk) 03:39, 10 September 2019 (UTC)

College Terrace

There is a wiki page for College Terrace as well -- College_Terrace_(Palo_Alto). A link to this page ought to be worked into this article. Josh Thompson 07:31, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

City links broken

The city just designed their website (at a cost of $250,000) and didn't keep the links to the old pages. Any links referring to the old city pages will pop up as blank and need to be redirected (personally, I'm in the middle of writing a report and simply don't have the time to hunt through this article). Thanks! Librarystudent 22:23, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

the picture

uh, mind you, the picture(top) doesn't look accurate at all compared to what I've seen. The top picture makes Palo Alto look like this tiny, run-down, countryish place, blegh. PinkXjellocreature (talk) 07:04, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

Incorrect

Wodan, you say that Gunn High School is ranked one of the top 1% high schools, but according to my knowledge Palo Alto High (Paly) is higher. PinkXjellocreature (talk) 07:07, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

Not according to this US News report (Gunn has consistently scored higher than Paly in the last few years -- but they are both very highly ranked. It's splitting hairs... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.234.106.61 (talk) 23:17, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

Typo

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new mayor

Wasn't Peter Drekmeier elected as mayor? I tried to chnage it but I couldn't.-- Golakersandkobe24 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Golakersandkobe24 (talk • contribs) 16:31, 17 January 2009 (UTC)

New York Stock Exchange (NYSE) headquartered in Palo Alto?

I'm no expert on this, so I won't make the edit myself, but it seems very unlikely. Also, the reference given for the list of major companies does not include NYSE. |Yes there is it's a pretty good sized building on the south side of page mill road. EelkeSpaak (talk) 09:55, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

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Section for references in Popular culture?

Palo Alto has been the setting for several films such as Antitrust (film) and Palo Alto (film). I thought it would be a good addition to the page, though I'm not as well versed with Wikipedia editing standards to do it myself. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.198.47.130 (talk) 02:09, 19 July 2011 (UTC)

"Lively downtown retail" - no longer

That was true 10 years ago, but no longer.[1] "Vacant storefronts up and down University Avenue..." --John Nagle (talk) 04:47, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

Neighborhoods

A section on neighborhoods would be useful. Bearian (talk) 22:10, 4 February 2014 (UTC)

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Stanford is (mostly) not in/part of Palo Alto

The article badly needs to be corrected since Stanford University, except for the Medical Center and Stanford Shopping Center, is in Stanford, California, not Palo Alto. Besides probably being worth noted, at least in one sentence, the article needs to updated to remove Stanford from the top employers list (except the Medical Center) and a few other places where it is inaccurately listed. Cat-fivetc ---- 07:49, 11 October 2014 (UTC)

Note: Whether it's accurate or not (irrelevant due to sourcing and original research policies), the 2012-13 Comprehensive Annual Financial Report (CAFR) has Stanford University as the top employer in Palo Alto so I'll just adjust the numbers and the reference accordingly. Cat-fivetc ---- 08:02, 11 October 2014 (UTC)

Housing Stats

The numbers given are probably correct or defensible but the supporting material is ridiculous -- seriously, a real estate supplement? Maybe the information is in there, maybe not, but it should not be up to the reader to compile it to verify the editor's statement. Similarly, Footnote 26 goes to a list of California counties not to anything specific to Palo Alto. That said, yes, housing values are very high here, and it should be very easy to find a reliable source that says so. I don't have time just now, this is an extremely part-time project for me.Elinruby (talk)

Lindsey Buckingham

I have been going through the notable people section of this article and adding some references. I found one saying that Lindsey Buckingham was born in Atherton, which is also not Palo Alto, but this is confusing too as there is no hospital there and more likely his parents lived in Atherton but he was born at Stanford Hospital. Anyway, I added the footnote and the detail but I am leaving him in because Atherton is so close, and has no business district, so likely he did hang out on University Avenue. We don't quite have this documented though and if there is someone that can supply a better reference or a detail more specific to Palo Alto itself (I dunno, played in a band in a bar there or something) that would be good. Elinruby (talk)

fleetwoodmac.org/lindsey-buckingham.php says he was born in Palo Alto.—Stepheng3 (talk) 00:28, 3 February 2015 (UTC)

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Scholastic nomenclature

Stanford students use the Greek name Υψίδενδρο /ɪps'ɪðεntrɔ/.
literally: "tall tree" — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:587:4101:9900:20D8:F71E:D09E:835F (talk) 12:27, 20 March 2016 (UTC)