Talk:Pablo Iglesias Turrión

Pictures

If it's helpful, I noticed there are a few good creative commons images of him at the GUE/NGL flickr account since he became an MEP. The link is here: https://www.flickr.com/search/?w=47059517@N08&q=pablo%20iglesias—Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.26.17.69 (talk) 01:22, 12 November 2014 (UTC)

Dispute?

The article says:

"The neutrality of this article is disputed. Relevant discussion may be found on the talk page. Please do not remove this message until the dispute is resolved. (January 2015)"

What is the dispute? There is no putative "relevant discussion" on this talk page. In fact, there is not discussion of anything other than of some pictures.

Please say what this is about. Put up or shut up.--- Dagme (talk) 06:09, 3 February 2015 (UTC)

Not sure what the dispute is either. I'll remove for now but go ahead and add back if needed.--ZiaLater (talk) 05:53, 8 February 2015 (UTC)

Request for Comments

There is an RfC on the question of using "Religion: None" vs. "Religion: None (atheist)" in the infobox on this and other similar pages.

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Please help us determine consensus on this issue. --Guy Macon (talk) 22:57, 25 April 2015 (UTC)

Should we not change the article name to simply 'Pablo Iglesias', since this is what he is referred to in both the English-language press and on official websites like that of the European Parliament? This is the English language wiki after all. --Andrewdwilliams (talk) 18:18, 21 November 2015 (UTC)

There are other Pablos Iglesias in the world. One of them is an arguably more notable politician (Pablo or Paulino Iglesias Posse, who also went for the name of "Pablo Iglesias"). I deem more appropiate the idea of creating a disambiguation page in Pablo Iglesias.--Asqueladd (talk) 21:09, 21 November 2015 (UTC)

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Requested move 13 January 2020

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: Withdrawn. Particularly convinced by Asqueladd's reasoning and opposition to the proposed title being unanimous; it would be better to wait until (and if) the term can be unambiguously used to identify the person. (non-admin closure) Impru20^talk 20:01, 27 January 2020 (UTC)

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• Pablo Iglesias Turrión → Pablo Iglesias
• Pablo Iglesias → Pablo Iglesias (disambiguation)

– Not only because of WP:COMMONNAME on the specific subject (sources do not tend to refer to him as "Pablo Iglesias Turrión", but as "Pablo Iglesias" only), but also and foremost because of WP:PRIMARYTOPIC: the article's topic is primary for the term both in usage and long-term significance, specially now that the person has become a deputy prime minister of Spain. Further, according to web statistics, this one has been already the prime target for visitors out all three listed "Pablo Iglesias" pages in Wikipedia throughout the last five years, and by a great deal. This one should eventually follow the same path as the Pedro Sánchez article did. Impru20^talk 19:58, 13 January 2020 (UTC) —Relisting.  — Amakuru (talk) 22:24, 22 January 2020 (UTC)

• Oppose Pablo Iglesias Turrión → Pablo Iglesias as well as Pablo Iglesias → Pablo Iglesias (disambiguation), but would support Pablo Iglesias Turrión → Pablo Iglesias (politician, born 1978) per WP:NOPRIMARYTOPIC {Pablo Iglesias Posse was also a Spanish politician}. —Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 01:35, 23 January 2020 (UTC)
  • Support Pablo Iglesias (politician, born 1978) as per above.--Ortizesp (talk) 14:51, 23 January 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose changes (WP:DONTFIXIT). Just leave it as it is Pablo Iglesias Turrión. It is not strange and it is the form he has used to sign most of his works [1][2][3][4].--Asqueladd (talk) 16:44, 23 January 2020 (UTC)

Keep in mind that all of these works you link to are from before he became well known as a politician in 2014: number 1 dates from 2011, 2 and 3 are from 2013 and 4 is from 2009. Number 4 is actually his doctoral thesis, which will obviously refer to him using his two surnames because of it being an academic paper.

In support of "Pablo Iglesias" as a stand-alone name would be that it gets over 19 million Google hits even when disregarding PSOE's Pablo Iglesias "Posse", compared to only about 90,000 for "Pablo Iglesias Turrión". At GNews it's about 5.6 million to 10,000, respectively. Disregarding any reference to PSOE (which would also discard many sources relating to present-day Pablo Iglesias) you still get +10 million hits in Google and 2.5 million in GNews.

Not sure that WP:DONTFIXIT does apply; it currently becomes problematic when it comes to linking, because you will most of the time use [[Pablo Iglesias Turrión|Pablo Iglesias]] rather than linking to the full name as the second surname is just not needed. This comes into conflict with WP:NOPIPEDLINK, i.e. It is generally not good practice to pipe links simply to avoid redirects. Impru20^talk 20:08, 23 January 2020 (UTC)

• Comment as the nom. I only favour the move as I proposed; I would not not support Pablo Iglesias (politician, born 1978) because the year isn't really a good disambiguator and because "Pablo Iglesias Turrión would be more concise than that. Impru20^talk 19:54, 23 January 2020 (UTC)

I too think convoluted disambiguators do not solve anything as they are not concise. In any case, I also think the initial rationale is somewhat moot. Ratio of visits is there in favour of Pablo Iglesias Turrión but it is not fenomenal: as of now, it barely edges one order of magnitude (10⁰ → 10¹) even at a time when Turrión is having a lot presence in media. And regarding long term notability, it is also difficult to ascertain. Even if the legacy of Pablo Iglesias Posse as labour leader and theorist is not precisely that of Friedrich Engels, he has been an important figure of Spanish political history (as well as 'revered' father of PSOE), lack of presence in government notwithstanding. While I understand the convenience, I would frankly leave it as it is.--Asqueladd (talk) 20:40, 23 January 2020 (UTC)

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