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@Chiswick Chap and Lhikan634: As a note, Jones 2019 agrees in part with the phylogeny derived by Machado et al 2018, but opted to elevate groups to family level, rather than making a much expanded Myrmeleontidae. They redefined superfamily Myrmeleontoidea to include the (hypothetically monophyletic families ) Myrmeleontidae + (Palparidae + (Stilbopterygidae + Ascalaphidae). phylogenetic and taxonomic papers on Myrmeleontidae and Ascalaphidae in 2020 and 2021 are split on which approach is used with Subfamilial placement and Familial placement both in use. As such I feel we should step back from moving groups to tribal level and add additional text to the effected articles where phylogenetic treatments differ between the two camps.--Kevmin§ 17:20, 28 December 2021 (UTC)Reply
Um, I've simply documented both Jones and Machado, so there's nothing to "move back" from. Chiswick Chap (talk) 17:35, 28 December 2021 (UTC)Reply
Chiswick Chap Actually, Lhikan634 has already gone through all the Ascalaphid subfamilies and moved them to tribal level, and is in the process of changing the automatic taxoboxes on all the genera etc. as well, so there is a fair bit of discussion to do still. I pinged you in since you have been a large contributor to the family level articles. (Also you have the older Jones, and not the more recent Jones 2019).--Kevmin§ 17:41, 28 December 2021 (UTC)Reply
I won't touch the taxoboxes myself, but am inclined to agree that they shouldn't go tribal until there is scientific consensus. I've added Jones 2019 and arranged the Machado and Jones trees to point up the differences as clearly as possible. We are lacking images only of Albardiinae and Melambrotinae - if you have anything usable (preferably with white background) then please add them here. Chiswick Chap (talk) 11:55, 29 December 2021 (UTC)Reply
