Talk:Oviedo Cathedral

Arms and the Flag of the Kingdom of Asturias (Sources)

This flag and this coat of arms never were asturian symbols, see:

(in Spanish) Jovellanos y el escudo de Asturias (con un breve apunte astorgano) Autor: Juan José Sánchez Badiola /Jovellanos and the arms of Asturias by Juan Jose Sanchez Badiola.

It was the Coat of Arms wrongly attributed to the Prince and the Principality of Asturias (Spain) in 15th through 18th centuries, as proved Gaspar Melchor de Jovellanos, author, philosopher and main figure of the Age of Enlightenment in Spain. This Coat of Arms appeared in printed books and maps, even It was included in the Encyclopédie of Denis Diderot. In a report about a ensign for the Regiment of Asturian Noblemen Jovellanos said the symbol of Asturias is the Victory Cross and it should be incorporated in these ensign.

This is the present Coat of Asturias Law:

• (in Spanish) [1]

The present Asturian Arms regulation said: “...the arms of asturias consisted of a field of azure with the Victory Cross of Or… as said Jovellanos and the heraldist Ciriaco de Miguel Vigil”. So Asturias never had a gules coat of arms and a red or Crimson flag.

The first regulation for the Asturian Coat of Arms was an Act of the Provincial Diputation of Oviedo of 21th October 1857.

The asturian and the early leonese monarchs used the Victory Cross as symbol in a pre-heraldic period, but it wasn’t in a coat of arms, flag or standard. King Ramiro I of Asturias (c.790–850) used a white flag with a red cross in the pre-heraldic period.

• For these reasons I recomended to deleted File:Flag of the Kingdom of Asturias.svg, File:Hocsigno.JPG and File:Escudo del Reino de Asturias (Modelo de la Bandera).svg

--Proof02 (talk) 18:57, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

Overblown verbiage

It seems to me that this article has a lot of overblown verbiage, heaping praise on the cathedral or its elements without citation. I've removed a few blatant examples in a recent copyedit, but is there citable basis for the following?

• I toned down "a unique array of different architectural styles" to "an unusual array of different architectural styles", which seems a far safer claim without citation. Certainly a claim of uniqueness would require citation.
• "one of the marvels of Gothic architecture" according to whom?
• "is mainly a fine Gothic building...": I would expect "fine" to have a cited source or be removed.
• "We can admire the progression of the constructive stages..." or we can fail to admire it. Does this wording really belong in an encyclopedia?
• "(recently restored)": when? Since no reference later than 1913 is mentioned, is this recent at all?
• "The chief feature of the cathedral is the 'Camara Santa'": "chief" according to whom?

- Jmabel | Talk 06:08, 8 August 2012 (UTC)

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