Talk:Overview of resurrection appearances in the Gospels and Paul

Nice work

Nice work Joshua Jonathan, now a portable template. Maybe Paul should go after Acts, for chronological order, but I don't want to play with the coding. I've substituted the template in a couple of places where the large coding-block had been before. Thanks! Randy Kryn (talk) 11:35, 24 April 2019 (UTC)

I put Paul there because he's the oldest source. Best regards, Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 12:05, 24 April 2019 (UTC)

Seems to be counter-intuitive per chronological order of presentation. Oldest source seems secondary to biblical ordering and reader familiarity with the biblical sequence is which the the information is presented. Randy Kryn (talk) 15:19, 24 April 2019 (UTC)

Maybe it depends on the background one has. For me, it's more intuitively logical to have a chronological order. Paul is the oldest source; Mark was written before Matthew and Luke, who depended on Mark. But, the longer ending of Mark may depent on Matthew and Luke... Taking the Bible-order re-inforces pre-existing notions, c.q. narrative. When taken chronologically, the focus is more on the development of the narrative. And Paul may be the most historical account; maybe. Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 06:25, 25 April 2019 (UTC)

I've put Acts next to Luke, per Luke-Acts; see how this works. And I've split Mark into three columns, because the endings are of a later date; see Julie M. Smith , The Ending of Mark’s Gospel:

There is no way to definitely determine what the original ending was, but there is an interesting silver lining to the cloud over Mark’s Gospel: “Since Mark was not responsible for the composition of the last 12 verses of the generally current form of his Gospel and since they undoubtedly were attached to the Gospel before the [Christian] Church recognized the fourfold Gospels as canonical, it follows that the New Testament contains not four but five canonized witnesses to the Resurrection of Christ.” (Metzger and Ehrman, Text of the New Testament, 327)

This way, it can be clearly seen that basically three appearance-traditions seem to have existed (not necessarily in this chronological order):

• Mary Magdalene who sees an angel at the tomb, telling her that Jesus has been raised;
• the appearance to two disciples at a road;
• the appearance to a group of disciples, including Peter, in Galilea; they see it as a call to being witnesses of Jesus, who starts proclaming through them "eternal salvation."

It's intriguing that the Galilea-appearance seems to have been to a group, not just Peter; apparently, Peter took leadership of this group, as they started to tell others about what had happened. No intention to start Christianity, but a band of brothers spirited with enthusiasm and the conviction that the Lord spoke through them: "Listen up man, I tell you, the endtime is coming! It has already begun! Jesus was raised up to the Lord, and I saw him! Hold on, repent your sins and be baptized!" Later on, it became more solid, with a group of them returning to Jerusalem awaiting the parusia, and James assumimg leadership. But this is where and how Christianity started.

But of course, feel free to revert to a previous versions; the table becomes quite extensive this way. Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 07:12, 25 April 2019 (UTC)

Mobile view problem

Can we get those that work on this to take a look at the mobile version...as its always expanded and causes whole articles to initiate side scroll option.

mobile version always expanded and causes side-scrolling..-

see here ..note how its overwhelming the page and causes the whole page to side scroll -Moxy 🍁 15:04, 5 May 2019 (UTC)

@Moxy: thanks; nice puzzle; I'll try to figure it out. Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 15:36, 5 May 2019 (UTC)

Hmm... might be complicated -or not?. Simplest solution may be a hatnote with a link to the table-template. See also mobile view recoomandations. Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 16:01, 5 May 2019 (UTC)

Miraculous catch of fish

What about when Jesus appeared to the disciples when they were out fishing on the Sea of Galilee? They hadn't caught anything, but Jesus stood on the shore and told them to cast their nets again, and they were full. John 21 says it was the third time that Jesus had appeared since he was raised from the dead. DMichael6 (talk) 19:33, 21 July 2019 (UTC)

It's mentioned, but without mentioning the fish. Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 07:30, 7 December 2022 (UTC)

Collapsible table

Regarding tgis edit, edit-summary No need for collapsible table, there is' a need for a collapsible table: it's quite a lot of text, and to have this table collapsed as default is more convenient. Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 07:08, 4 June 2020 (UTC)

Copied from User talk:Joshua Jonathan#Resurrection appearances template

Hi. I don't want to come across as overly critical, but I'm puzzled by your decision to only link directly Template:Resurrection appearances (to link to a template is unusual itself) rather than transclude it in an article. And then, although it can only be viewed by visiting the template page, and it is the only item on the page, you have chosen to collapse it? You are hiding the template and ensuring that almost nobody actually sees it (it receives on average only 7 views a day); that is a shame because it's a comprehensive informative table. If you want to have it collapsed then perhaps you can include it in Post-resurrection appearances of Jesus? I'm not going to revert your edit.--Hazhk (talk) 07:08, 4 June 2020 (UTC)

End of copied part

@Hazhk: you're right; we'll have to move it to a regular page. I was lazy, I guess... Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 07:15, 4 June 2020 (UTC)

A page is more accessible. I support this! --Hazhk (talk) 22:09, 4 June 2020 (UTC)