Talk:Ottawa Senators/GA1

GA Reassessment

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There's concern that the article references need work (lots of unsourced text), and possibly the organization needs a rethink. (t · c) buidhe 15:59, 16 March 2022 (UTC)

Please mark in the article where citations are needed and I will add them. The team is well covered by the media and I have access to the Ottawa Citizen newspaper dating back prior to 1990. Alaney2k (talk) 22:39, 29 March 2022 (UTC)

@Buidhe: I have filled out all of the citations needed. And added alts to images and replaced the dead link. Can you explain what you mean about a re-org, and did you have concerns about some prose? Alaney2k (talk) 03:56, 11 April 2022 (UTC)

Hi Alaney2k, thanks so much for your work on the article! It looks in pretty good shape now, so I'd be in favor of keeping it, but I want to know what User:DannyMusicEditor thinks because he had commented on the article organization. (t · c) buidhe 04:44, 11 April 2022 (UTC)

I have some things I'm concerned about. For instance:

The next season, Ottawa would be challenged to repeat the success they had in 2011–12, due to long-term injuries to key players such as Erik Karlsson, Jason Spezza, Milan Michalek and Craig Anderson. Despite these injuries, the Senators would finish seventh in the Eastern Conference and head coach Paul MacLean would go on to win the Jack Adams Award as the NHL's coach of the year. Ottawa would play the second-seeded Montreal Canadiens in the first round of the playoffs, eventually winning in five games, blowing out Montreal 6–1 in games three and five. The Senators would advance to play the top-seeded Pittsburgh Penguins in the second round, this time losing in five games. During the off-season, the Senators traded veteran defenceman Sergei Gonchar to the Dallas Stars for a sixth-round pick in the 2013 draft. July 5, 2013, would be a day of mixed emotions for the city and fans, as long-time captain Daniel Alfredsson signed a one-year contract with the Detroit Red Wings, leaving Ottawa after 17 seasons with the Senators and 14 as captain. The signing shocked numerous fans across the city and many within the Senators organization. The day finished optimistically, however, as Murray acquired star forward Bobby Ryan from the Anaheim Ducks in exchange for forwards Jakob Silfverberg, Stefan Noesen and a first-round pick in the 2014 draft. The hope was that Ryan would be the guy to play on the top line with Jason Spezza after Alfredsson's departure. Murray would also sign free-agent forward Clarke MacArthur to a two-year contract that same day and bring back former defenceman Joe Corvo to a one-year contract three days later on July 8, 2013.

This is all supposedly supported by a single citation at the end. Does it really cover all this? That seems like an awful lot of content for one web article to cover, and it's not even a web reference that I can just click on.

I have similar concerns here:

At the beginning of the 2014–15 season, defenceman Erik Karlsson was named the franchise's ninth captain, with the club also re-signing Bobby Ryan to a seven-year extension. After firing head coach Paul MacLean after 27 games with an 11–11–5 record and replacing him with Dave Cameron, the Senators would win 32 of their last 55 games. Goaltender Andrew Hammond would compile a record of 20–1–2, a goals-against average of 1.79, and a save percentage of .941 to get the team back into playoff position. The Senators later became the first team in modern NHL history to overcome a 14-point deficit at any juncture of the season to qualify for the playoffs.

I know for a fact that the nearest citation (the end of all that) does not cover everything said in that paragraph. You've done great with the citations where buidhe requested them, but I would like you to make sure the citations you have added cover everything up to the points of citation, and anything that isn't be cited accordingly. While this is excellent progress, I fear there may be more to be done, I'm afraid. If you would like to continue working on this, I am unopposed to it staying open. P.S. the organization comments were not me - someone else did express concerns, but I'm not sure it's quite nearly as important as the referencing in the article. dannymusiceditor ^oops 21:44, 11 April 2022 (UTC)

I am happy to continue editing and adding references. I am the person who worked to make this a GA in the first place. I'd like it to stay that way. I never realized how little references have been added in the interim. Alaney2k (talk) 02:29, 13 April 2022 (UTC)

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Note: I have notified WP:HOCKEY about this. dannymusiceditor ^oops 20:49, 16 March 2022 (UTC)

@Buidhe:@DannyMusicEditor: Is there any further work that you would like covered? I do plan to add a section on rivalries with Montreal and Toronto, but I don't think that is necessary for this reassessment. Alaney2k (talk) 18:40, 7 May 2022 (UTC)

Sure, the article looks much improved although I'm sure there is still room for improvement, GA is not expected to be perfect. I'd support keeping at this point. The citation density is quite high so I expect that the problems dannymusiceditor noticed have been resolved. Thanks for your hard work on this article! (t · c) buidhe 19:33, 7 May 2022 (UTC)

I concur with buidhe, and do not see any problem areas that must be addressed before the article is passed. The lead is a little short and I would like that expanded, but it is fine enough for GA. dannymusiceditor ^oops 22:37, 7 May 2022 (UTC)