Talk:Ostoja coat of arms

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Query edit

"and a rang crown of a baron not being a baron" does not make sense to me. I suspect that rang in this case is a typo of rank, but that would not be sufficient to clarify the sentence. ϢereSpielChequers 11:07, 23 November 2018 (UTC)Reply

@WereSpielChequers During the Partitions of Poland some mistakes occured while transferring Polish Coat of Arms (CoA) into the heraldic system of the successor state. In the Polish–Lithuanian Commonwealth there was not a College of Arms which maintains a register of all noble people rather than belogness to nobility relied on Customary law. In the successor states - Habsburg Monarchy, Russian Empire and Kingdom of Prussia, however, there were official Colleges of Arms and registers so that all Polish noble people had to undergo (if they wished; upon application) a so-called "legitimation process", in which they had to submitt convincing evidence about their nobilty.
During this legitimation processes some transfer errors happend. As far as I understand the author of the sentence in question, the Bogorajski family never were barons, their CoA had no or another crown, however, due to an error, their current CoA is wearing a baron Crown (heraldry), as a display of rank. Liglioto (talk) 10:26, 18 October 2022 (UTC)Reply
Thanks Ligliato, rang is now gone and that was the anomaly that interested me. I know little or nothing of Polish history and heraldry. ϢereSpielChequers 16:38, 18 October 2022 (UTC)Reply

Imaginary Coat of Arms edit

"Imaginary Ostoja coat of arms" - what is meant by that? Did these CoA's never exist? Why "imaginary"? Liglioto (talk) 10:28, 18 October 2022 (UTC)Reply