Talk:Origins (Judge Dredd story)

Suggestion

I think that once this is up and running we should get a picture (possibly a cover) and I'll be willing to do the plot. (Would you like it if I started "The Connecton"s plot?) J Smithy

Thats cool - keep it going. Once the full plot is revealed we can probbaly tighten things up but it seems fine for now. I'd guess that Origins proper will be launched with a big fanfare and a fancy cover so I suspect that cover will be the best one for going in here - but we'll have to wait and see. (Emperor 00:20, 19 August 2006 (UTC))

There's a cover by Jock next issue which seems pretty good but apparently there's gonna be another one by the same artist that'll run during Origins, that'll take some beating. I think we should put a cover up once Origins is finished (I'm sure there'll be a brilliant one for that). Or we could change them about when a better cover's up. Dunno, what do you think? Smithy 21:11, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

I suppose we keep a weather eye out and if something good and iconic crops up we can go for that. If something better appears then there shouldn't be a problem replacing it. (Emperor 14:14, 29 August 2006 (UTC))

I'd say that Brian Bolland cover to 1505 has to be the iconic image for Origins - at least for the conceivable future (Emperor 00:51, 14 September 2006 (UTC))

OK image now live [1] what do you reckon? (Emperor 14:05, 18 September 2006 (UTC))

Works for me fine! If there's always a better cover, I suppose we could chage it but that seems to do the job! Smithy 20:10, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

FP seem to be suggesting this is the trade cover [2] but they may just mocked it up for trade paperback they are already offering for pre-order [3] I still vote for the cover of 1505. (Emperor 23:35, 29 September 2006 (UTC))

Unless the trade cover changes, 1505 would seem to be the best choice. It's a strong image anyway, and Bolland is famous in comics in the UK and the US.Richard75 18:27, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

Origins

just wondering if it's a good idea to do the plot here as well. It's gonna be very long, right into next year. What do you think? Smithy 20:42, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

Well the Comics Project is fairly clear on what Wikipedia is and isn't and they recommend "concise summaries" of plot [4] so I think things can be kept fairly tight or can be tightened up at a later date once the bigger picture emerges (see the other entries in the Judge Dredd storylines category for examples of he kind of summary we'd be looking for). We'd also be looking for comments, discussion and any other relevant informaiton that can add depth to this. I here there is an Alan Grant interview in the upcoming Redeye covering thigs that we might want to throw in to a trivia section - like who Robin Low is and who Judge Logan is based on. Adding nough plot to explain the scope of the story and some extra depth and references so people can take it on further (Emperor 00:51, 14 September 2006 (UTC))

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Redirect as ATD

Okay, so yesterday, I redirected this to Judge Dredd#Major storylines based on the fact that just yesterday, another Dredd storyline article, Tour of Duty, finished AfD and was closed as redirect. Someone is now insisting on putting this one through AfD as well. I would argue that's needless and overburdensome, based on the result of the prior AfD. I've been down this road before and I don't think we need another round of, "But it's an obvious redirect!" "We just redirected another article like this one!" "Did you even think about redirect?" "Do you even ATD, bro?"

Have at me, inclusionists. Just Another Cringy Username (talk) 19:10, 2 September 2022 (UTC)

By that logic, you would just redirect every Judge Dredd article that exists to Judge Dredd without further discussion. But anyway, Origins seems to have several online reviews which Tour of Duty did not. For example:

• https://www.denofgeek.com/movies/judge-dredd-origins-a-comic-that-should-be-a-movie/?amp
• https://www.bigglasgowcomicpage.com/essential-judge-dredd-origins-review/
• https://theslingsandarrows.com/judge-dredd-origins/
• http://dreddreviews.blogspot.com/2012/12/origins.html
• https://www.comicon.com/2021/08/06/preview-judge-dredd-origins-making-a-classic-into-an-essential/

Richard75 (talk) 20:59, 2 September 2022 (UTC)

Maybe not every article, but at least the ones which have had their notability challenged for two years now. And how many of those reviews would pass WP:RS? Just Another Cringy Username (talk) 23:17, 2 September 2022 (UTC)

@Just Another Cringy Username: Surprisingly, Den of Geek is RS per WP:VG/RS. But the other refs are literally the definition of self-published sources, one even has "blog" in the URL... IMHO, you could nominate this for AfD, this article is a WP:GNG failing, WP:ALLPLOT article that is almost WP:TNT. VickKiang (talk) 00:56, 3 September 2022 (UTC)

Yeah, I figured if any of these met RS, it would be that one.

I don't have a problem nominating it; I just thought it was an obvious redirect given the outcome of the Tour of Duty AfD. Seems needlessly bureaucratic to go through the whole process again. Just Another Cringy Username (talk) 01:25, 3 September 2022 (UTC)

@Richard75 @VickKiang So can I redo the redirect? Or are we going to have to do the full AfD? Just Another Cringy Username (talk) 01:55, 3 September 2022 (UTC)

As the redirect was disputed, IMHO let's do an AfD. VickKiang (talk) 01:57, 3 September 2022 (UTC)