Talk:Original Dixieland Jass Band

Record question

i have in my possession a victor record i'm wearing my heart for you macdonough & bieling 1854 victor talking machine company camden nj im trying to find out the age and some history behind it

Columbia and Victor recordings

I reverted as in this case 64.48.74.4 was correct rather than Pitchka. Pitchka's version is understandable as many written sources have given the story that way, but it's been known in the record collecting community for at least some 15 years that the 2 Columbia sides were actually recorded AFTER the first 2 Victor sides-- the master numbers and chronology are doccumented, and this is known to be so. -- Infrogmation 23:16, 17 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Title

The "Jazz" spelling is certianly more well known. Title should be changed. Zazaban 23:28, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

I disagree. It was while it was still spelled "Jass" that they made their first and most important recordings and had their greatest historical influence. We have a redirect from the "Jazz" spelling already anyway. -- Infrogmation 23:36, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

The name was changed in 1917. Before Livery Stable Blues and before Tiger Rag. Zazaban 22:24, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

Not before the first recordings of those numbers. It is spelled "Jass" on the original issues of the first Victors, Columbias, and all the A-Vs. -- Infrogmation 03:50, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

Members

I can't get the members to show up on the infobox. Could somebody help? Zazaban 22:24, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

Benny Krueger

Page currently says nothing about him... Chubbles (talk) 17:03, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

Jass/Jazz

Should it be Jazz instead of Jass? --98.28.62.205 (talk) 22:55, 20 December 2008 (UTC)

The name of the article should be changed. Their first single came out in 1917, and they changed their name to "Jazz" band from "Jass" in the same year. From then on, everything they released was under the name "Jazz" and not "Jass". When you have a listing for any other band you wouldn't put them under their old name before their commercial success. "Madness" aren't listed as "The Invaders". Apart from being inconsistent, it is just plain silly. --86.163.91.248 (talk) 13:26, 1 February 2012 (UTC)

A counter argument is that their most important historically (and also best seller records) came out when they billed themselves as "Jass". Their later work was of less importance. -- Infrogmation (talk) 18:56, 2 February 2012 (UTC)

I have not checked any sources on this yet, but perhaps it should be regarding this information: in studying history of jazz in a master's program, it was said that the ODJB were essentially frauds, as all the members of the band were incapable of improvising. They wrote out in advance things that were supposed to sound like improvisations, and in their numerous performances in New York, classical musicians noticed that the compositions were played exactly the same way every time, while audiences were told that the ODJB were improvising on chord changes. Exposing this caused accusations of fraud against ODJB, who also faced accusations of claiming authorship of many tunes they did not write, including Tiger Rag. It has been said that the ODJB were essentially exploiting a music invented by black musicians and claiming it was their own invention. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 162.194.149.183 (talk) 14:07, 26 February 2014 (UTC)

Film use in "honors" section

The below text was in the "Honors" section, where it doesn't seem relevant. Use of ODJB tunes in films and tv would certainly go to the thousands of examples; if there are particularly notable examples perhaps they could be mentioned but "Honors" hardly seems the place to do so. -- Infrogmation (talk) 20:45, 21 November 2012 (UTC)

In 2008, the Original Dixieland Jazz Band classic "Ostrich Walk", written by Edwin B. Edwards, Nick LaRocca, Henry Ragas, Tony Sbarbaro, and Larry Shields, in a performance by Bix Beiderbecke and Frankie Trumbauer, was included on the soundtrack to the film The Curious Case of Benjamin Button. The soundtrack also included "Wah Dee Dah", a collaboration with Russel Robinson, in a performance by Cab Calloway. The movie was based on a short story by F. Scott Fitzgerald from the collection, Tales of the Jazz Age.

The soundtrack album to the 2011 Boardwalk Empire series on HBO features performances of three songs originally recorded by the Original Dixieland Jazz Band: "Livery Stable Blues", "Mournin' the Blues", and "Margie", peformed by Vince Giordano and the Nighthawks Orchestra. The soundtrack won the Grammy Award for Best Compilation Soundtrack for Visual Media at the 54th Grammy Awards.

Tiger Rag list

Might the list of covers of "Tiger Rag" better belong in the "Tiger Rag" article rather than here? -- Infrogmation (talk) 20:46, 21 November 2012 (UTC)

POV edits needed

I've added a POV template to this article. The section "Music of ODJB" in particular needs a rewrite to achieve neutrality. Also needs citations. ==Design (talk) 06:11, 1 June 2013 (UTC)

I understand the need for sources, but I'm not seeing the POV, unless you are talking about the "repetitive" recordings. Help? 78.26 (I'm no IP, talk to me!) 00:43, 18 June 2013 (UTC)

there are unsourced adjectives praising the band for their exciting, liberating, innovative music etc. all POV. Also there is a debate about the source and authorship of Tiger Rag and other material the band credited to themselves. This debate needs to be included in the article, in part. The article should not endorse one side or the other. --Design (talk) 13:50, 19 June 2013 (UTC)

I removed the POV tag, instead I put an unreferenced tag in the "Music of ODJB" section (even though there was one citation at the very end of the section). I suggest that you enter "citation needed" tags where you think they are necessary. Personally, I don't really have a problem with the page. Tagging the entire article as POV was a little too much, imo.BassHistory (talk) 08:32, 7 November 2014 (UTC)

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In 1919 they were spelling their name Jazz. They only used the Jass spelling a short time and it makes no sense to use the spelling they were no longer using in articles.Mike32065 (talk) 09:37, 4 September 2021 (UTC)