Talk:Organization of the government of Thailand

nakhon changwat amphoe mueang

Sakon Nakhon is located in Sakon Nakhon Province (changwat), which according to Template:Amphoe Sakon Nakhon has a amphoe called Mueang Sakon Nakhon. If this is right, it could be added to the article, to describe how the terms can interact. Tobias Conradi (Talk) 18:21, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

I have re-arranged and fixed the article, as it now contained many misunderstandings, some of which I also got trapped before and needed long time to find the right way. The administrative subdivisions of Thailand is a rather complicate topic, including several changes during the time, and weakly covered in english sources.

But yes, Nakhon can be part of a town name, and thus there is a Amphoe Mueang Nakhon Ratchasima, literally "district town city Ratchasima". I hope the article now explains that more clearly. andy 21:45, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

Sakha Tambon

Another historic subdivision not yet mentioned are the Sakha Tambon (สาขาตำบล), which seem to have existed till 2002. Anyone have any info on them - there extremely few google hits of that term. andy 22:02, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Village name

บ้าน home, house that is home, a group of homes; as part of a placename, a village, but a village per se is never an administative unit. Several muban (home groups) may containbe included in one place named as a village, but the village placename is not part of one's postal address. The standard postal adress is Home No. Home group No. Tambon Name, Ampoe Name, Changwat Name, Postal Code.

บาง haven in the sense of a waterside village, is used only in central Thai placenames like บางกอก บางกะปี บางขวาง บางแสน --Pawyilee (talk) 04:07, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

Needs clean-up following 2 May 2014 additions

The addition of content regarding central/provincial/local government systems on 2 May 2014‎ doesn't fit well with what the article was originally about, and as a result the article as it stands is very confusing. The article needs some major copyediting, and should probably also be renamed to match its new scope. --Paul_012 (talk) 16:34, 17 February 2015 (UTC)

IMHO the section on the government itself doesn't belong into this article, the article was originally intended to cover the administrative subdivisions. All of the language links as well as the Wikidata item are according to that original intend. Besides, the local governments unlike the provincial administration are not part of the government of Thailand, making the current article location "Organization of the government of Thailand" even more wrong. andy (talk) 15:17, 1 April 2015 (UTC)

It doesn't make sense to say local governments are not part of the government of Thailand, since the central/provincial/local divide is exactly how the relevant laws dictate the national government be run. If necessary, the Wikidata link can easily be removed. I'd support splitting the content into separate articles on government organization and local governments, but until that is done, probably better to have the article title reflect its current content. As I noted above, it's currently very confusing, but the previous version, which mixed up provincial and local government systems without properly explaining the difference, wasn't much better either. --Paul_012 (talk) 15:49, 2 April 2015 (UTC)

The local governments area a government of Thailand, not part of the government of Thailand. Though the MOI through the province governor has quite a lot of control over the local governments, they are independent bodies of government with their own elected legislation. andy (talk) 16:17, 2 April 2015 (UTC)

I think I see where this is coming from. We seem to be using the word government to refer to different things. (I've always hated the word; so many overlapping meanings.) I was referring to government as in "governing system", i.e. the entire administration (the European meaning of the term according to this article) that is known in Thai as ราชการ (ratchakan), not government as in "group of governing people" (รัฐบาล, ratthaban), which you're referring to.

I can see how using the term in the article title can be a problem. But is there a better word to use? "Organization of the national administration of Thailand" sounds extremely clunky and possibly confusing. --Paul_012 (talk) 17:48, 2 April 2015 (UTC)

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Levels and Subordination of municipalities

Because it's not made clear, are all municipalities (city, town and subdistrict) on the same administrative level? If not, it'd make sense to redo the chart on the side of the page. As far as I can tell "city municipalities" and "town municipalities" are subordinate or under the jurisdiction of a district (amphoe), while a "subdistrict/township municipality" is a step lower and subordinate or under the jurisdiction of a subdistrict/township (tambon), but at least half-a-step above a village (muban). As special cases go, Bangkok seems to be on the same administrative level as a province, and Pattaya on the same level as a district or maybe a half-step below as it seems to be independent of its district, but it still statistically/geographically included in the definition of Bang Lamung District.

I could be entirely wrong, though, because this is not spelled out in the article. Can someone clarify this? --Criticalthinker (talk) 07:38, 26 December 2017 (UTC)

They are on the same level, and are (in theory) not subordinate to the provincial administration. Have you seen the Thesaban article? There's a bit more detail there. --Paul_012 (talk) 11:36, 27 December 2017 (UTC)

Yes, I have seen that article. It's a bit hard for me to believe, however, that a city municipality is on the same administrative level as a township municipality, though. You're telling me one has the same responsibilities/powers as the other? --Criticalthinker (talk) 23:43, 27 December 2017 (UTC)

The larger municipalities do have wider responsibilities, but this doesn't imply a hierarchy. The thesaban/municipalities are on the same administrative level in the sense that they are all independent bodies. They are not directly subordinate to bodies of the provincial administration (changwat/amphoe/tambon), but occupy a different dimension. However, they are subject to personal oversight. The thesaban nakhon and thesaban mueang are under the oversight of the province governor, while thesaban tambon are under the oversight of the chief district officer (head of the amphoe). --Paul_012 (talk) 01:00, 28 December 2017 (UTC)

That last part is all I needed to know. I was speaking of oversight like you would in just about any country with municipal corporations. So city and town municipalities are in fact on a level higher than that of townships, as the former are overseen by provincial-level government and the latter under district-level government. --Criticalthinker (talk) 04:28, 28 December 2017 (UTC)