Talk:Orenburg

Picture

I would like to see a picture of an Orenburg shawl.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 67.162.154.176 (talk • contribs) .

Here we go.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 18:32, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

Where are the Germans?

Orenburg had in 1920, when my mother´s mother was there for a period, a sizeable German population, which lived in their own part of the town, known as Forstadt located on the northern riverbank of Jaik east of confuence of Sakmara River. In addition to the Germans, there were, in addition to ethnic Russians including Ukrainians, also Mordvins and Tatars which together formed majority of Orenburg population which was recorded in offical statistic to be 74.000 on 1 / 14, 1913. Also Kazah, Kirgiz and some Kalmuk lived in town. She bought from Orenburg Bazar those Orenburg shawls which lasted for twenty years or so. She called them shaali. Cheers. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.114.197.222 (talk) 10:33, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

Orenburg

This is another view to history.

• The new Orenburg, population 306.000 in 1965, was founded in 1742 and become the centre for barter trade between European Russia and Central Asia. it was considered to be the greatest market of European Russia at the turn of the century (1900). Between 1826 - 1896 about 10.000 camels were engaged in the caravan trade with Tashkent. One of the chief products of the town was salt obtained from mines some 60 versts to the south which were producing about 20.000 tons in 1890. The Ural Cossacks played a similar part in the Russian advance and colonization of the steppe east of the Volga as did Don and Ukraine Cossacks in European Russia. Uralsk was their main centre; but they were gradually brought under the control of the Russian Government, and the last traces of their autonomy had been destroyed by 1833. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.115.124.58 (talk) 14:15, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

It was definitely founded in 1743 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.88.46.99 (talk) 01:14, 3 October 2011 (UTC)

Name

I've long wondered why Orenburg was given a partly German name. Sca (talk) 22:17, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

The foundation of Orenburg (at its first chosen location, which is now Orsk) was ordered in 1734 by Anna Ioannovna who was well-known for favoring Germans over Russians. Naturally, the influence of the German language at that time was also high, hence a partially German name. The actual location of the city changed twice since then, but the name used in the original edict carried over. The "Or" part refers to the Or River, on which Orsk stands.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 00:27, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

I think the name Orenburg is a Cyrillic version of Hornburg. Because there is no H they called it Orinburg. Just like the word Hotel in Russian. 'Otel. Maybe I am wrong can you tell me if there are any other hybrid place names. Peter Reichoff may have made comments thirteen years after the event. However, the letter H has been removed from many words. This "pattern-of-h-removal" dates back to Viking settlements upon the Dnieper. There are hundreds of examples of this. My question is, how many examples of hybrid place names are there? Please answer.

It's funny how you came up with this theory. The reason it's funny is because way back in 1755 Pyotr Rychkov (a Russian topographer and researcher of some renown) speculated in his "Topography of Orenburg Governorate" (on page one, no less!) that in the future all kinds of weird theories as to the name of Orenburg would arise, and he specifically mentioned that "Hornburg" might just become one of such theories. He also refuted it and, being close to the source and all, explained the real origins of the name (see my comment above). Since, judging by your comment, the Hornburg theory is still alive and well, surely he must have done a lousy job at explaining it thoroughly enough :) Cheers,—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 15:00, September 28, 2009 (UTC)

Update

Could do with some rather more current info e.g. the lead saying the mayor as of 2006 is and so on.RafikiSykes (talk) 02:27, 11 January 2012 (UTC)

He's still in charge, although his last name was misspelled. What else do you think should be updated?—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); March 9, 2012; 18:08 (UTC)

Strange English

"In the boundary of Europe and Asia" is strange English - since a boundary is a line and a line has no thickness or depth, it's impossible to be "in" one. At first I wondered if this was written by a non-native user of English, but the rest of the article looks all right. It may just be a typo for "on the boundary....", but that suggests Orenburg is literally astride the boundary (which may or may not be true). Although "at the boundary...." should strictly mean the same thing, it sounds a little less specific and would surely be the best phrasing of all.31.15.247.228 (talk) 08:42, 8 September 2016 (UTC)

After making the previous comment I checked the Russian version of this article, which goes into far more detail about where Orenburg is located. Apparently there's a sign on a footbridge across the River Ural indicating that the border between the two continents bisects it and hence that part of the city is in Asia - but this is not internationally recognised, since only the upper reaches of the river in Russian territory are considered to form the border, rather than the whole river. By that reckoning, Orenburg is entirely in Europe. This uncertainty seems another good reason to opt for "at the boundary" rather than "on the boundary".31.15.247.228 (talk) 08:55, 8 September 2016 (UTC)

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