Talk:Order of Charles XIII

2005

The Order of Charles XIII is an order of knighthood in the Kingdom of Sweden; it is conferred on Freemasons of high degree. This article needs an overhaul. J S Ayer 05:27, 25 November 2005 (UTC)

Done! It is now a stub. J S Ayer 05:18, 26 November 2005 (UTC)

All right, I think I will not mark it a stub, although I'm sure there is room for improvement. I would like to know who the three ecclesiastical dignitaries are. J S Ayer 04:47, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

Sorry to say this, but Swedish order are not konwn by the colours of there ribon. The webpage from the freemasons about the Swedish orders have more wrongs than rights.

I think the statement about the colors of the ribbons was in the Encyclopedia Britannica. I have just buffed a contribution that contributes a statement about the members of the order. It also stated that they are all knights, which, in an order of knighthood, seemed to me redundant, so I have deleted that. Could we have an authority for the statement that up to seven members of the eleventh degree may be foreigners? J S Ayer (talk) 05:30, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

I have checked in a book about the order and the order consists of the royals plus 33 swedish members (30 worldly + 3 clerical) plus 7 foreigners. I also added a description of the insignia. Ergo-Nord (talk) 08:24, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

Correction on template

Order of Charles XIII is not a ”Masonic order”, a term used to denote orders within Freemasonry that initiates Freemasons in different grades which have a masonic teaching. It is rather an ”Order of merit” that is only open to Freemasons. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ergo-Nord (talk • contribs) 18:55, 29 October 2009 (UTC)

New members

I see that Princes of Sweden become members of this order upon birth, but are only allowed to wear the order if they are Masons. If CP Victoria has a son, will he become a member of this order? 70.46.223.38 (talk) 19:23, 6 May 2013 (UTC)

I would assume so as long as he is a Prince of Sweden and a member of the Royal House (Swedish: Kungliga huset). Also, to clarify what the article says about Princes of Sweden wearing the insignia of the order, they have to be not just Freemasons but hold the eleventh and highest grade, Knight and Commander Red Cross (Swedish: Riddare och kommendör med röda korset), of the Swedish Order of Freemasons. Björn Knutson (talk) 13:36, 30 January 2014 (UTC)

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Protestant

The article currently claims that "Membership of the order can only be conferred on Freemasons of the Protestant faith." Anyone who believes in monotheism can be a Freemason. That some Churches discourage their members becoming Freemasons, is not a prohibition by Freemasons. I would be surprised while in practice all recipients have been Protestant that those of other faiths could not receive the order. I think that this point needs an inline citation from a reliable source to back it up. -- PBS (talk) 18:01, 19 August 2018 (UTC)

What you write is true of British and American Freemasonry. Other parts of the world have different rules. By what I read, a postulant to the Swedish Rite must swear that he holds Trinitarian Protestant Christianity to be the best of all religions. J S Ayer (talk) 01:25, 16 December 2021 (UTC)