Talk:Order

(Waffen-SS)

why don't you list Heinrich Himmler's WAFFEN-SS, as it was the secular military and racial order of the Third Reich. _ Janine —Preceding unsigned comment added by Puceron (talk • contribs) 07:38, 11 August 2009

Clean-up

This was tagged for clean-up in Jan 2009. No reason was given, but many issues have been addressed since then. My remaining concern is whether all of these could be described as 'order', or if 'order' is just one of the words in the title. What do other people think? Boleyn3 (talk) 13:45, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

There are a few which I find do not really belong here, as they are more "well, you can find yourself using the word order when talking about that topic, but it isn't a word used to refer to the topic itself" than actual uses of the word.

* The contrary of chaos, disorder (in the sense of randomness), or entropy (is there an actual article on order in that sense?)

* A way of categorizing the size of lighthouse Fresnel lenses

* Ordered or unordered data in data synchronization

* Ordered list is an HTML element

* Way of categorizing Electronic filters by steepness, see Filter design and Elliptic filter

For some of these, I am not familiar with the topic, but somehow I doubt there are many links on WP pointing to 'Order' that should instead point to Filter design or Elliptic filter, for example. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.144.27.39 (talk) 13:30, 25 October 2006

• There is now a List of organizations described as orders for the only cohesive group previously on the Dab that is likely to be acceptable as an SIA. The following removed entries are good examples of what not to put on a Dab for "Order":

  (Types of organization)

  * Religious order

  * Order of the Mishnah, the name given to a sub-division of the Mishnah, a major religious text

  * Order of the Mass is the set of texts of the Roman Catholic Church Latin Rite Mass that are generally invariable.

  * Chivalric order, established since the 14th century

  * Fraternal order

  * Holy Orders, the rite or sacrament in which clergy are ordained

  * Military order, established in the crusades

  * Monastic order, established since circa 300 AD

  ==Legal, political, and military==

  * Court order, made by a judge; a restraining order, for example, is a type of injunction

  * Executive order, issued by the executive branch of government

  * General order, a published directive from a commander

  * Law and order (politics)

  * Order, or military command

  * Social order, referring to the conduct of society

  * Standing order, a general order of indefinite duration, and similar ongoing rules in a parliament

  * World order, including the concept of a world government

  ==In economics and commerce==

  * Money order

  * Order of degrees in the Elliott wave principle

  ==In science==

  * Order of reaction, a concept of chemical kinetics

  * Order of hierarchical complexity, the ordinal complexity of tasks that are addressed

  * Social order, a concept used in sociology, history and other social sciences

  * Topological order, an organized quantum state

  * An order parameter in physics has value 1 for complete order and value 0 for complete disorder

  * The contrary of chaos, disorder (in the sense of randomness), or entropy

  * A way of categorizing the size of lighthouse Fresnel lenses

  ==In mathematics==

  <!--Order is applicable to a large number of concepts in mathematics, especially in algebra, arithmetic, analysis, combinatorics, fractals, graphs, and mathematical theories.-->

  ==In computer science==

  * Computational complexity theory, aka order of computation, describes complexity or scalability in computational complexity theory and Big O notation

  * Order (information processing), a measure of the number of objects or sub-systems in a system

  * Ordered activities in metamodeling

  * Ordered or unordered data in data synchronization

  * Canonical order, the order of elements that obeys a certain set of rules or specifications

  * Z-order on computer screens

  ==In electronics and telecommunications==

  * First-order hold in signal processing

  * Modulation order, the number of different symbols that can be sent using a given modulation

  * The polynomial order of a filter transfer function

  ==In architecture and urban planning==

  * Architectonic orders:*: see classical order

  * Public order, a concept in urban planning

  ==Miscellaneous==

  * Collation, the sequencing and ordering of text in alphabetical or Lexicographical order

  * Implicate and Explicate Order, as defined by David Bohm

  ==See also==

  * Collation (disambiguation)

  * Coordination

  * Ordinal

  * Ordinate

  * Ordination

  * Subordinate

—Preceding unsigned comment added by Jerzy (talk • contribs) --Jerzy•t 04:54, 9 September 2009 UTC}}Belated sig

Jerzy, what is an "SIA"? Please translate that abbreviation into English. Michael Hardy (talk) 12:45, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

• See {{SIA}}.
  --Jerzy•t 16:43, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
  

Religious order should definitely still be in (commonly referred to as order). There may be a few more but I don't have time right now to go through it. I am really dubious about the move you have carried out. The history should have stayed here. Creating the list article is ok, but doing it as a move is not. SpinningSpark 06:43, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

• If you prefer having the edit history with the accompanying Dab, that's tolerable. The hx does two things:
  1. Provides attribution per GFDL, which is a legal necessity (& AFAIK perhaps for CC-BY-SA 3.0 as well). When content is split, it is theoretically possible to split the history, but the cases where that is not an impediment to accurately construing it are few and far between. Altho in this case it turned out that the SIA had less substance than the pre-split glance it deserved had suggested, that doesn't mean any harm was done.
  2. Provides a record that can promote efficiency by showing what approaches have already been considered, and providing access to markup whose rekeying is worth a copy&paste.

My rule of thumb is that material that doesn't belong in a Dab is likely to have some substance beyond the compilation of happenstance navigation-technical relations that a proper Dab must be: even an SIA is at the very least a compilation of conceptually related material, and an SIA is permitted to have interesting prose (rather than just navigation-motivated sent-frags) attached, including whole sentences if desired. IMO, the disconnection of a Dab from its history is de minimis in its legal effect, and its practical effect easily overcome by most editors and users who are able to exploit a history effectively. I don't endorse your changing it back, but that is also de minimis.
--Jerzy•t 16:43, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

Worst edits ever

I've been editing Wikipedia articles almost daily since the fall of 2002. I've done more than an eight of a million edits, NONE assisted by bots or the like. Among edits appearing to be in good faith, the worst I've ever seen are this and this.

First this long disambiguation page was moved to a title identifying a different topic. Then all of the content was deleted and replaced by a short and colossally silly article. (I reverted and then moved it back.) Michael Hardy (talk) 12:20, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

Now if you are going to accuse poor Jerzy of making the worst edit ever you really ought to start a page where comparisons can be made. My nomination would be this from the Oscilloscope article, and a barnstar goes to the first person who gives me (with proof) the transpose of the matrix of buckets. On second thoughts perhaps we should just be civil to those editors less fortunate than the great Michael Hardy. SpinningSpark 17:51, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

Improvements needed

I've deleted the "cleanup" tag, but definitely this article has deficiencies. Maybe I'll be back soon. Michael Hardy (talk) 12:42, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

• No doubt your removed it in good faith. I'm restoring it for the consideration of fresh eyes via the Cat that it places the page in. If it's removed by an experienced Dab cleaner, i'd be wrong to reinsert it, and i those who've complained would similarly be wrong to remove it again.
  --Jerzy•t 16:48, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
  

Order as antonym of entropy?

Am I missing it in the list, or is there no article that describes "order" as used to mean "organization" (as opposed to chaos)? This is a common form of the word - one used in several Wikipedia articles, including entropy. 98.204.140.83 (talk) 22:17, 23 June 2010 (UTC)

The concept of, and article for cosmos partly addresses this meaning. It was apparently coined as the antithesis for chaos, or the other way round. Kept it as a subtitle nevertheless, as I feel inclined to agree that the article suggested, has not have been written yet. JMK (talk) 22:08, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

The term randomness was deleted, as the Entropy article does not draw a direct link between entropy and randomness; the latter is merely included under "See also". Furthermore the lack of articles for "Order" and "Disorder" (both disamb pages) in Science may well be justified, as "Entropy" as a measurement encompasses both, in the same way that "Temperature" encompasses both warmth and cold. There happens to be an article for Cold, which actually does little more than list different instances and extremes of it. While the article for warmth actually links to Heat, which is rather the transfer of warmth or cold, than one of them. JMK (talk) 08:55, 12 October 2010 (UTC)

Elliot wave, dubious tag

This item was added by myself, but evaluating it again, I tend to agree that it may well be left out of the list. Was deleted. JMK (talk) 22:47, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

Military order

The topic and usage of Military order is under discussion, see Talk:Military order (monastic society) -- 70.51.44.60 (talk) 07:32, 13 December 2015 (UTC)