Talk:Ophiussa

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I would suggest that the author of this article replace a phrase such as "most authors", which is a bit vague for an encyclopedic article, with something such as "Authors A and B say that/believe that..." I am saying this as a reader. It would be helpful to me and to others. "Most authors" borders on unverifiable. Babel2675 10:20, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

The Dragon and Porto

Just a quick note: the identification of the dragon with Porto is extremely recent and mainly due to the decay in use of the full Portuguese coat-of-arms. In reality the dragon is the crest (and sometimes the supporter) of the Arms of Portugal since the Middle Ages. The association with Porto is because Futebol Clube do Porto - and maybe others - use as a symbol the Arms of Portugal quartered with the Arms of the city of Porto. The dragon is there not because of a specific association with Porto,but because it's part of the unquartered Arms of Portugal as well. As for the dragon itself, may I remind here that the strongest historiographic association can be seen in the Arms of the city of Coimbra and has roots in a legend that also gave birth to the Galician proposal of a banner in the XVII century: that the dragon is the symbol of the Suevii (Swebians?). The legend itself is probably apocriphal, but can also be a remnent of an older tradition. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.212.29.187 (talk • contribs)

My friend, feel free to include your remarks, in a proper encyclopedic tone, in the article's section regarding Dragons. Cheers! The Ogre 15:03, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

The dragon sounds to my more like: a) a reference to the Draganes, b) a reference to the Celts (remember Boorman's Excalibur?)

The Dragon was offered in XIX Century to Oporto arms by the Queen of Portugal. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.196.112.127 (talk) 14:14, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

The Winged Serpent-Serpe Real or "Dragon" as was called mostly after XVIII century of the Crown of Portugal in Porto´s heraldry was introduced by a decree from D. Maria II and Passos Manuel Government, issued by Almeida Garrett in 1837 as a premium to the city, but removed in XX century. The symbol was of the crown, not of the heraldry of the city. The belief that is also an ancient symbol of the region of Oporto, of Porto itself, Northern Portugal and of other parts of Portugal as Tagus Region etc. as we think(And we have basis for that) and a Suevi and Galician symbol, also Celtic or even earlier is another matter to investigate, and important.

On the Portuguese Christian version from Alcobaça Monastery Writtens(but not only) was from the Miracle of Ourique as a Sacret Symbol of JESUS CHRIST`s Divinity and of Moises. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.113.163.75 (talk) 17:37, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

Cyneticum-Conni, Lusitania, Celtica, Galicia, Finisterra, Oporto, Lisbon, Sintra, Setubal, Promontorium Sacrum, Sagres

The Dragon was in the Coat of arms of the Kings of Portugal after the final of the Medieval Age. In true was the Allade Serpent or "Serpe Real "Alada"", and in Yellow, corrupted on the Green Dragon in modern times - by the way - simbol of Coimbra(maybe a name connected to the ancient native people(Serpent) of southern Portugal that came probably also for north: "Conii"(Algarve, Alentejo etc.) from near Conninbriga(even if the Place was Aeminium) - "Coni" more "Briga" - "briga" a Pre-celtic or celtic name for a godess, a place or a montain(or for a sacred hill) spread for all weast of Iberia, altough the historians relate the "Serpent" Peoples to the first wave of celtic and iron age peoples(later).

It was offer to city of Porto(Oporto) because the support of its people to liberal wars and to liberal leaders in XIX Century. It´s modern in Oporto. Of course we have the ancient tradition of the Suevi Dragon in Galicia(part Spain and Portugal). But this is another issue. Like the Celtic Dragon: a "bridge" to the old Galaicians(Galicia and north of Portugal) even the Lusitanians who had some celtic blood too(Celtic Dragon), like original blood of their iberian ancesters.

OPHIUSSA and the Previous Oestreminium Peoples were in old traditions connected to all west, but the Tradition its very strong in Lisbon´s Peninsula, like the Sephes or Sepes (Sefes) Peoples(Serpents?) that some specialists put in Portuguese Estremadura, the Cempsi People(Celtic or Pre-celtic in the same area and also near Setubal and Part of Alentejo) or Cyneties also in Algarve (the Connii). The connection of "Sefes" to "Dragani" it´s not proven, but prossible. Dragani`s tradition is also connected to northern-setentrional Galician region or Asturian places(migration from the Portuguese South or from other europeans regions?)or the contrapart of their fellow southerns Sefes - by some as we read in some Authors! But if the Ora Maritima can also talk about Setubal and the Centeras it is claimed, and if they were the Sefes and the Sefes were Proto-Celtici and Celtici later(Old Iberians mixed with that new Iron age Migrations)The Center west side of Portugal are the point. And maybe the Celtici and/or Lucis(Avieno) were already in Peninsula many time ago.

Like the Megalithic Radical "CAR"- "Stone"(Authors Manuel J. Gandra and others) in Car-"enque", Car-nide ("Enque" "Circle" pre-historic word..."circle" of Stones like the "henge" in Britain, Britain that receave migrations from Galicia and Portugal in Pre-History) - Carenque; Carnaxide; Carnide (Many Carnac terms - Lisbon Peninsula and French Britanny), Charneca (latim adaptado mas derivado no plano da semântica também) all in the same Region: LISBON-Estremadura Peninsula. Romans call Lusitania by "Luxitania" many times (God and Hero Lugh ? and "Light"? in Latin-Lacio and also other different Indo-European Celtic and pre-celtic languages(and others) but Pre-Indoeuropeans too, like Pre-celtic and non-celtic! maybe.

"Carnacs" and Megalithic clues maybe were connected with outside "Luxor" and "Carnac" greek and mediterranean words(altough the ancient Egyptian have its proper words for that places) . O-LISIS-PO (local "oppidum" or "polis" spread ancient greek numenclature) connected with LYSSUS(or Lygurs) or LUCIS(Ancient two Names for river TAGUS in AVIENO´S "ORA MARTÍMA": meaning City of Lysis or Lucis. Maybe the River give is name to Lusitânia also wich its clearly. (Manuel J. Gandra; Juan de Atienza etc.). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.22.213.87 (talk) 15:11, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

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