Talk:Operational Group (Poland)

Independent groups?

According to pl wiki only Narew and Polesie had the status of an Independent (samodzielna). Wyszków has an article at pl:Grupa Operacyjna Wyszków. There are no useful hits for "Samodzielna Grupa Operacyjna Grodno", according to Polish version of Battle of Grodno (1939) this group was created from some other units and took part in that battle. I am having trouble detererming the right name for the Anders Group (combinations of "Grupa Operacyjna Kawalerii Andersa" net no more than 5 hits), but there certainly was no "Samodzielna Grupa Operacyjna Kawalerii Andersa" ([1]). Perhaps the confusion stems from the fact that those other groups were not attached to other armies, so were independent in practice - even if that was not reflected in their names, like in the case of Narew and Polesie groups? PS. Further, according to pl wiki, Polesie adopted the name Samodzielna only on 27th September; if so it is possible that only Narew was officially Samodzielna (if at all... this needs more research).--_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 21:42, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

The problem with 1939 OpGroups is that some were officially named before September 1st, while other received only "orientation" names. That is, the units under Anders' command were variously referred to as "Grupa Andersa", "Anders" (in Hughes' communication the name of the commander was usually enough, hence "GO Jagmin" or "GO Boruta"), as "Grupa Operacyjna Kawalerii" (even though there was more than one), "GO Kawalerii", and so on. Whichever name we adopt would be good, as all the names were equally unofficial. During a war nobody has time to name the ad-hoc this way or another.

The same is true to "Independence" of various Operational Groups. There were two named that way before the war, but some war-time ad-hoc units were in fact independent (or, more properly, separated), and that's why you might find that name in books and memoirs. //Halibutt 10:45, 21 June 2008 (UTC)