Talk:Operation Totalize/GA1

GA Review

Hi! I'm finally free...so I will have the review up as soon as I can. Cheers, ^-talk- the_ed17 ^-contribs- 20:38, 9 September 2008 (UTC)

GA review – see WP:WIAGA for criteria

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Nice article!

1. Is it reasonably well written?

   A. Prose quality:

   B. MoS compliance:

   In the lead, there is a one-sentence paragraph.

   Fixed. Cam (Chat) 22:33, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

2. Is it factually accurate and verifiable?

   A. References to sources:

   B. Citation of reliable sources where necessary:

   see below

   C. No original research:

   see 2b

3. Is it broad in its coverage?

   A. Major aspects:

   Where is the German perspective in all of this? You have one section on them, but what happened to them after the battle (did all of the reform at the river)? Where did they come from before the battle?

   B. Focused:

4. Is it neutral?

   Fair representation without bias:

5. Is it stable?

   No edit wars, etc:

6. Does it contain images to illustrate the topic?

   A. Images are copyright tagged, and non-free images have fair use rationales:

   B. Images are provided where possible and appropriate, with suitable captions:

7. Overall:

   Pass or Fail:

There are many referencing problems with this...every sentence that is not common sense should be cited, which is most of this article. Can you add more sources so that every sentence has one? (It shouldn't be the hardest thing ever, just use the sources that you were using, and then use the <ref name=__> format....

I'm putting this on hold to give you a chance to deal with the problems...good luck, and have fun! ^-talk- the_ed17 ^-contribs- 21:17, 9 September 2008 (UTC)

Alright, Enigma & I are working on the citations, and I'll attempt to expand the German perspective as much as I can. Cam (Chat) 22:33, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

You are making excellent progress. however, I will be out of touch for the next two-ish days due to my trip home from college....so don't go bonkers if I don't reply. Good work so far, and cheers! =D ^-talk- the_ed17 ^-contribs- 03:50, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

Still need a few more refs...

• First two paragraphs of the Background section.

Got the first two (I think). Cam (Chat) 21:21, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

These sentences as well: "Positional warfare ensued for the next six weeks. Several attempts by British and Canadian forces to capture Caen were unsuccessful until 9 July when all of the city, north of the Orne River, was captured during Operation Charnwood. Between 18 July-20 Operations Atlantic and Goodwood captured the remainder of the city. The former saw Canadian forces cross the Orne River and clear the remaining portions of the city while the latter launched three armoured divisions to outflank the city to the east and south.

The Germans still held the commanding terrain of the Verrieres Ridge, three miles south of the city. The repeated British and Canadian attacks launched around Caen (in part to distract the Germans from the western part of the front, where the First United States Army was preparing to break out of the Allied lodgement) had caused the Germans to defend the Verrieres ridge with some of their strongest and most determined formations, including three SS Panzer divisions of I SS Panzer Corps."

Almost! ^-talk- the_ed17 ^-contribs- 13:49, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

• • The last sentence of that section ("Canadian II Corps, which was to launch Operation Totalize, was commanded by Lieutenant General Guy Simonds and consisted of the 2nd Canadian Division, 3rd Canadian Division, British 51st Division, 4th Canadian (Armoured) Division, 1st Polish Armoured Division, 2nd Canadian Armoured Brigade and the British 33rd Armoured Brigade.")

Done. Cam (Chat) 21:21, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

• • *You may be able to steal these refs from the Normandy Invasion page, if they've got them there....*

No need. I've got all my books on the subject out by the desk, so it was relatively easy. Cam (Chat) 21:21, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

• First two sentences of the Offensive Plan section.

Done both. Cam (Chat) 00:33, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

• The Assault section.

Done (I think). Cam (Chat) 05:16, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

Mostly. Still need refs for "During the evening of August 7 1944, the attacking forces formed up in six columns, each only four vehicles wide, of tanks, Kangaroo APCs, half tracks, self-propelled anti-tank guns and Mine flail tanks." "At 23:30, the armoured columns began their advance behind a rolling barrage."

"Initially, movement was slow; many APC drivers became disoriented by the amount of dust caused by the vehicles.[20] Several vehicles became stuck in bomb craters. Simonds had ordered several means for the columns to maintain their direction: some vehicles were fitted with radio direction-finders, the artillery fired target-marking shells, Bofors 40 mm guns fired bursts of tracer in the direction of advance. In spite of all these measures there was still confusion. Several vehicles collided, or were knocked out."

Then you are done. =D ^-talk- the_ed17 ^-contribs- 13:47, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

• Last two sentences overall: "Simonds and Crerar designed a follow-up offensive, Operation Tractable, which took place on August 14-21 1944. On August 21, the Falaise Pocket was closed by joint Allied forces, effectively ending the Battle of Normandy with a decisive Allied Victory."

Done. Cam (Chat) 05:16, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

• Ref #19 needs a page number.

Done. Cam (Chat) 05:16, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

You get these, the GA passes. =D Almost there! ^-talk- the_ed17 ^-contribs- 18:14, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

External Links

• Random question: what is with the author of the last link...it's "?, Erik" ? ^-talk- the_ed17 ^-contribs- 18:14, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

lol that was me, the citeweb templates need surnames and forenames however the website does not state his surname anywhere so i plonked a question mark in. In cases like this what do we do?--EnigmaMcmxc (talk) 14:20, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

I don't really know...I think that you should just use the last name, and leave the "first= |" blank... ^-talk- the_ed17 ^-contribs- 21:43, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

What is with the word "lodgement" in the lead? I don't understand it. ^-talk- the_ed17 ^-contribs- 18:16, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

Lastly, I that I de-linked all of the dates per WP:MOSNUM. If I missed one, though, don't forget to de-link it. ^-talk- the_ed17 ^-contribs- 18:21, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

In the German countermoves section, is "laagered" spelled right? ^-talk- the_ed17 ^-contribs- 18:24, 12 September 2008 (UTC)