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The giant 800mm Dora cannon was built by germans to demolish Gibraltar. If that was used there would be no saxons and monekys on the rock today, in fact the very rock would not exist any more. Its 7 ton projectile penetrated 60 meters of rock, no shelter would protect against that! The spanish were stupid not to join the invasion.

Re the above: WTF?!

Second your WTF. Getting Dora to Gib would have been a logistical nightmare. And what invasion??? Darkmind1970 14:41, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

The Dora-type ultra-heavy railguns were NOT built with gibraltar in mind, but against the Maginot line. To elaborate Darkind1970's point, IIRC, Spain had (has?) a different rail gauge than France/Germany, so for Dora they'd have had to lay a PAIR of tarcks all the way from the Pyrenaes (or even through?) down to Gibraltar.

Furthermore, Gibraltar is not just one fat bunker, but still some area, which you cannot demlosh with a few shells even of the Dora. Finally, I wonder if the RAF wouldn't have had anything to say about Dora.thestor 07:04, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

Not that it matters all those years later, but the Dora-type railway gun was assembled from parts at the point of action, requiring several tracks to be built alongside each other in any case. (The gun was much too wide to sit on a single track, and did rely on a curved track for traverse, which the gun itself did not have.) Besides, Russia also had a different rail gauge than Germany, which didn't keep the Germans from getting Dora to Sevastopol and Leningrad. I fully agree that Dora was not built specifically with Gibraltar in mind, but there is nothing that would have technically prevented such a mission. Tactical and political considerations are different, though. -- DevSolar (talk) 09:11, 12 February 2013 (UTC)

The Dora was the largest but here were several railway guns (e.g. the 11" K5 and captured French guns) and the 24" Karl-Gerat mortars as well that could have been used once the railway gauge problem had been overcome. The use of paratroops (not mentioned in the article but planned) and air attacks would probably have been enough to suppress the fortress. Sitalkes (talk) 01:32, 7 February 2017 (UTC)

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Preserving here by providing this link; my rationale was "unsourced / dubious". I'm not able to find sources that talk about Canaris secretly "liaising closely with Franco" and so on. The sources I found talk about Spain's military weakness and approaching starvation, the latter necessitating on-going trade relations with the US; i.e.: [1], in The Cambridge History of the Second World War (2015). --K.e.coffman (talk) 04:14, 4 July 2021 (UTC)