Talk:Ontario Disability Employment Network

Information must be notable

There is no evidence provided that the individuals listed as honorees meet Wikipedia's notability requirements. --Zfish118 (talk) 22:55, 28 January 2014 (UTC)

Please discus your reasoning if you disagree and believe this information should be included. --Zfish118 (talk) 22:30, 30 January 2014 (UTC)

Award recipients are referenced by external sources and therefore notable. It is actual fact that they won (backed up by the listed references). No misleading information is presented. Also note that for the second time a the spelling of a reference has been corrected and a link to a wikipedia article has been restored. --madair11 (talk) 16:44, 31 January 2014 (UTC)

Mere coverage does not establish notability. These articles all appear to be based on press releases from either the ODEN or those close to the network; as such they do not count as independent coverage of the the subject. (See here for additional guidance: Wikipedia:Notability#General_notability_guideline, particularly bullet points three and four.) To include the list of winners, you must clearly establish notable coverage of the award in independent sources. --Zfish118 (talk) 23:35, 31 January 2014 (UTC)

The fact is, these people received awards. Please read the source material for each award recipient before passing judgment. I believe notable coverage of every award recipient has indeed been established. The referenced material was from the following sources - Sarnia Observer (newspaper), The London Free Press (newspaper), London Police Services (official website of the London Police Service), Business London (magazine), London Community News (newspaper), The Globe and Mail (newspaper), Canadian Federation of Independent Grocers (official website). Of these, none were press releases nor are they affiliated to my knowledge with the Ontario Disability Employment Network. But I could be wrong - if possible please provide evidence that all of these sources are indeed close to the Ontario Disability Employment Network. The other source material listed - the Ontario Disability Employment Network's website and press release material - was listed to support the articles. I therefore urge you to please re-read the notability guidelines again Wikipedia:Notability#General_notability_guideline as I do not see any fault in the sources listed here. There is no breach of policy - furthermore the article is based in factual information and contains no misleading information or propaganda. The article should stand to include the award recipients.--madair11 (talk) 01:42, 1 February 2014 (UTC)

The fact is, there is only one underlying source, the actual list of award winners. The list need not be published online. Press releases that merely announce the winners do no established independent coverage, demonstrating notability. --Zfish118 (talk) 21:53, 11 July 2014 (UTC)

I have no issue with keeping the first paragraph as a stub for the organization, but the undo coverage for the award is inappropriate. The article should focus on the actual work done by the organization; the organization does not inherit notability because local officials or businessmen have accepted an award from it. The sources you have provided are primarily about the individuals which mention in passing the reception of the award, or are promotional materials from ODEN itself. The most I could accept is an external link to an official list of winners (which all third-party coverage ultimately boils down to).

Some additional references regarding content policies may be: Wikipedia:Third-party sources, and Wikipedia:Notability (organizations and companies) (in particular the subsections on "No Inherited Notability" and "Depth of Coverage"). I will wait until at least Sunday or Monday to make further revisions to avoid "edit warring" (WP:Three revert rule) --Zfish118 (talk) 18:43, 1 February 2014 (UTC)

Archived Material

In 2012 Executive Director Joe Dale, treasurer Cheryl Massa, and co-chair Bob Vansickle were awarded a Queen's Diamond Jubilee Medal for their work in the field of employment for people who have a disability. Members of the Champions League include Sarnia Mayor Mike Bradley, London Police Chief Brad Duncan, Tim Hortons franchisee Mark Wafer, lawyer Joe Hoffer, and small business owners Dennis Winkler, Scott and Jamie Burton and Steve Sharpe.

Ideas for improvement

Specific commentary:

In 2012 Executive Director Joe Dale, treasurer Cheryl Massa, and co-chair Bob Vansickle were awarded a Queen's Diamond Jubilee Medal for their work in the field of employment for people who have a disability.[1]

The source is problematic, as it lists only Dale (and not Massa or Vansickle) as a recipient. Even for Dale, he was awarded for his role as a member of the Rotary Club, rather than ODEN.

• Rather than focus on the award they received, use an info box template (such as: Template:Infobox_non-profit) to list them as officers.

Members of the Champions League include Sarnia Mayor Mike Bradley,[2][3][4] London Police Chief Brad Duncan,[5] Tim Hortons franchisee Mark Wafer,[6][7] lawyer Joe Hoffer,[8] and small business owners Dennis Winkler,[9] Scott and Jamie Burton [10][11] and Steve Sharpe.[12]

As it stands, the detailed content regarding the award recipients is inappropriate for Wikipedia. Perhaps if the article had more depth to it, listing the award recipients would not have undo weight. The notability of the award outside of the organization must be established; otherwise it issuance is a mere routine announcement that does not meet the notability requirements.

• Instead, if individual recipients are notable for Wikipedia in their own right, then the award could be noted on their page, with an inbound "wp:wikilink" to the Ontario Disability Employment Network page. That would alleviate this page's "wp:Orphan" status (no inbound links).

Orphan status

I added the following inbound link on Mayor Bradley's page:

In 2010, the Ontario Disability Employment Network approached Bradley about issuing a challenge to other mayors to employee individuals with disabilities. --Zfish118 (talk) 22:59, 5 February 2014 (UTC)

References