Talk:Onam

onam and hindusim

Over the time i can see that article has been modified keeping the same source intact. In the first sentence source where 'Onam (IPA: [oːɳɐm]) is an annual harvest and cultural festival related to Hinduism that is celebrated mostly by the people of Kerala' it says (https://www.thehindu.com/features/metroplus/mahabali-comes-calling/article6383238.ece) :

" Despite it traditionally being a regional Hindu festival, Onam today has come to be a cultural one, one that is embraced by people of other faiths and communities. "

So should be added back and highlighted.

Fsrvb (talk) 19:41, 31 July 2024 (UTC)

It appears that you have been deliberately trying to dissociate Onam from its Hindu origins using poorly written English and ambiguous terms like "Indian Mythology" while still deceptively linking the article to Hindu Mythology. I have restored the article to the previous stable version meanwhile you should read WP:NPOV. If you keep on edit warring you will be reported. Herplas (talk) 02:38, 6 August 2024 (UTC)

Merge proposal

There is no need for an article on Onam and Muslims, this topic can be merged into the Onam article and written as a section in the Onam article. Onam is a festival of Kerala Malayalees, the term "Muslims" in this title represents all Muslims, but only some Muslim leaders and organizations in Kerala have expressed their views on Onam ~~ Spworld2 (talk) 11:57,19 August 2024 (UTC)

• Strongly Oppose. This article was created apparently because there was a lot of vandalism on the page Onam because several people wanted to remove content that say Islam is against celebrating non-Muslims' celebrations including Onam.The article suggested for merger is notable and would avoid vandalism and there is enough reason to create a separate article. The page Onam is protected for an indefinite period because the topic is controversial. There has been vandalism on the article Onam several times. The vandals were removing the word related to Hinduism to remove mentioning the association of Onam with Hindus and Hinduism (1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13). Such vandalism or disruptive edits were reverted by adding the term which shows the topic's association with Hindus and Hinduidm (1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8). The section Islamic groupings in Kerala is a very needed one. Because we cannot write about AP and EK Sunnis only, there should be the description about all the groups. If merged, this section will no longer be there. Even if there is a problem with the name it could be solved by moving it to Onam and Islam or Onam and Kerala Muslims. In addition, merging it with Onam is likely to make it more prone to vandalism (see: 1, 2, 3 & 4 in the section Onam and Islam). Neutralhappy (talk) 18:29, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

Onam (in this article) there is a section Onam and Muslim which is written only one line. It can be merge to that section. There is no need for an article for Onam and Muslim.

Why not write "Onam and Christian" and "Onam and Buddhism" like this??

Majority of the Muslims in Kerala celebrate Onam, Onam is a public festival of Kerala and this type of article is controversial, only a few Muslim leaders have commented on Onam, there is no need for an article. Spworld2 (talk) 07:45, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

According to this source, the majority of Kerala are Hindus. Whether it is controversial or not is not a criterion to merge or delete. The Muslim leaders who opposed the Onam celebration by Muslims represent the vast majority of Kerala Muslims. The reason why there are no writings on "Onam and Christians" must be because there are no enough number of reliable sources for that. Buddhists are extreme minority in Kerala. It seems only Muslims do not participate in the Onam celebration; that too due to religious reasons. Neutralhappy (talk) 19:49, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

Currently there are 37 citations in Onam and Muslims whereas currently in Onam there are 64 citations. So, if merged, more than half of the number of citations (57.81%) will be solely of a section.

If we google "ഓണം ക്രിസ്തുമതത്തിൽ", which means "Onam in Christianity", we see few sources that talk about "Onam and Christianity". On the other hand, if we google "ഓണം ഇസ്ലാമിൽ", which means "Onam in Islam", several sources appear. The same is case with YouTube. Neutralhappy (talk) 19:20, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

• Strongly Agree This article about hate speeches by some Islamic preachers on 'not to celebrate onam'. You can see many such hate videos and news reports on 'not to celebrate Christmas' . why should wikipedia have with an artcile on this? Also note that this is not about any cultural / celebration of muslims with nam but merely on some hate speeches by few Islamic scholars on 'not to celebrate onam'. According to islam celebrating other religious celebrations is not allowed and will get one into hell. It is a general rule in Islam and not specific to Onam. Nonsense article should have to be merged or deleted. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.96.13.213 (talk) 17:52, 23 August 2024 (UTC)

  Unlike Christmas and other non-Muslim religious festivals, Onam is widely said to be celebrated by followers of all religions, including Muslims, though according to the overwhelming majority of Muslims in Kerala, Islam is against celebrating Onam. Besides, the Onam celebration by Muslims is widely criticised by Islamic scholars. So, a writing on this is necessary. The proposed merger might reduce the amount of the content taken to Onam from the article Onam and Muslims, and thus, not satisfying the curiousity of the readers to know the all and clear Islamic rulings on the issue. This is because several people apparently seem to think almost all Muslims or Islam is not against the Onam celebration by Muslims. This is understandable as the following sources say the Muslims celebrate Onam: Google search results for "Onam and Islam", 1—Schooling the National Imagination, 2—Journal of Kerala Studies, 3—The Neighborhood of Gods, 4—Fun with Festivals, 5—The Issues and Themes of Indian Politics, 6—Social Science Success Book 6 (A.Y. 2023-24) Onward, 7—Struggling with History, 8—Rituals and Practices in World Religions, 9—Annual Report on International Religious Freedom, 2004, 10—When Peacocks Dance, 11—Kerala District Gazetteers: Alleppey. In conclusion, Onam is not like other non-Muslim religious festivals like Christmas. Thus, a clarification is needed for Onam specially. So, I contradict your argument of "general rule". Neutralhappy (talk) 00:57, 29 August 2024 (UTC)

• Support: Per nom. Ken Tony ^{Shall we discuss?} 19:40, 27 August 2024 (UTC)