Talk:Oliver Bearman

Specifing that he is refered to as Ollie

@MSport1005: this edit summary: Special:Diff/1212974504 is incorrect. The previous rational you are refering to (to justify specifing that he is known as "Ollie" in the lead) is "MOS:HYPOCORISM can't apply here as the article title is not "Ollie Bearman". This is no different to Toranosuke Takagi, Gianmaria Bruni or Jonathan Adam - to name a few." However the later rational edit you reverted mentions MOS:NOCKNAME. Nowhere in MOS:NICKNAME or does is specify (implicitly or explicilty) that it only applies one-way. Because it applies both ways, both when the article title is the nickname/hypocorism (for example Alexander Albon) and when it is the formal name (ie this article). MOS:NICKNAME states that we should only specify they go by that nickname when it is not a common English hypocorism. As Ollie is a common hypocorism of Oliver, I don't see why specifing Ollie is justified in the lead. As for your examples, Toranosuke Takagi and Gianmaria Bruni are different as they are not English hypocorisms (see the footnote in the nickname policy) and Jonathon Adam probably needs updating. SSSB (talk) 13:39, 10 March 2024 (UTC)

MOS:NICKNAME states that we should only specify they go by that nickname when it is not a common English hypocorism. - where? MOS:NICKNAME only states how uncommon nicknames are usually presented; nowhere does it say we should exclude common ones. And MOS:HYPOCORISM addresses the likes of Alex Albon or Nico Hülkenberg, not this. As I understand it, neither section deals with common hypocorisms that aren't the article title.

As Ollie is a common hypocorism of Oliver, I don't see why specifing Ollie is justified in the lead. - because everyone calls him that. They don't call him "Oli", or "Olli", or "Olly". Ollie Bearman is such a frequent ([1], [2], [3], [4], [5], [6], [7], [8], [9], [10]) variation of his name that, even if it doesn't warrant a page move, it has to be specified in the lead. Whether it's between double quotations or with "also known as Ollie Bearman" I ultimately don't mind, but I strongly believe mentioning it is necessary. MSport1005 (talk) 14:30, 10 March 2024 (UTC)

Where? In MOS:NICKNAME which states "If a person is known by a nickname used in lieu of or in addition to a given name, and it is not a common hypocorism of one of their names, or a professional alias, it is usually presented between double quotation marks following the last given name or initial." (emphasis mine)

"As I understand it, neither section deals with common hypocorisms that aren't the article title." - MOS:NICKNAME doesn't specify common hypocorisms that are the article title, meaning it applies to all instances of common hypocorisms.

I understand where you are coming from with your second point (although saying everyone calls him that is really pushing it at this time) so I think I am going to agree to disagree and allow you to keep specifing Ollie. SSSB (talk) 15:01, 10 March 2024 (UTC)

"The Brit"

Any ideas why the article repeatedly refers to him as "The Brit", seems like a weird highly Americanised thing to do? And not something I have ever seen with other biographies before? What is wrong with just using his name etc 82.36.67.206 (talk) 16:29, 17 March 2024 (UTC)

I assume that it is used to avoid using "Bearman" in every sentence. But it does seem a strange way of doing it. It reads like we are emphasising his nationality which isn't perticulary relevant. I think we should change all of these to either "he" or "Bearman". SSSB (talk) 16:55, 17 March 2024 (UTC)