Talk:Olfactory reference syndrome

Latest comment: 10 years ago by Markworthen in topic Gaps in the psychiatric literature on ORS

Useful sources

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This is a literature search carried out on 8/1/14 for suitable secondary sources listed on PubMed and on Google Books. It does not include case reports, and due to the lack of suitable secondary sources I went back further than 5 years.

  • [1] -- appears to be the most recent systematic review available. I will be working from a version I translated from Spanish with Google translate. Hope there are not too many errors because of this.
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  • [3] -- another systematic review
  • [4]   Done
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  1. ^ Arenas, B (2013 Jan 16). "[Olfactory reference syndrome: a systematic review]". Revista de neurologia. 56 (2): 65–71. PMID 23307351. {{cite journal}}: Check date values in: |date= (help); Unknown parameter |coauthors= ignored (|author= suggested) (help)
  2. ^ Feusner, JD (2010 Jun). "Olfactory reference syndrome: issues for DSM-V" (PDF). Depression and anxiety. 27 (6): 592–9. PMID 20533369. {{cite journal}}: Check date values in: |date= (help); Unknown parameter |coauthors= ignored (|author= suggested) (help)
  3. ^ Begum, M (2011 Mar). "Olfactory reference syndrome: a systematic review of the world literature". Psychological medicine. 41 (3): 453–61. PMID 20529415. {{cite journal}}: Check date values in: |date= (help); Unknown parameter |coauthors= ignored (|author= suggested) (help)
  4. ^ Feusner, JD (2009 Sep). "The mouse who couldn't stop washing: pathologic grooming in animals and humans". CNS spectrums. 14 (9): 503–13. PMC 2853748. PMID 19890232. {{cite journal}}: Check date values in: |date= (help); Unknown parameter |coauthors= ignored (|author= suggested) (help)
  5. ^ Robles, DT (2008 Jun 15). "Delusional disorders in dermatology: a brief review". Dermatology online journal. 14 (6): 2. PMID 18713583. {{cite journal}}: Check date values in: |date= (help); Unknown parameter |coauthors= ignored (|author= suggested) (help)
  6. ^ Bizamcer, AN (2008 Jan-Feb). "Olfactory reference syndrome". Psychosomatics. 49 (1): 77–81. PMID 18212181. {{cite journal}}: Check date values in: |date= (help); Unknown parameter |coauthors= ignored (|author= suggested) (help)
  7. ^ Lochner, C (2003 Oct-Dec). "Olfactory reference syndrome: diagnostic criteria and differential diagnosis". Journal of postgraduate medicine. 49 (4): 328–31. PMID 14699232. {{cite journal}}: Check date values in: |date= (help); Unknown parameter |coauthors= ignored (|author= suggested) (help)
  8. ^ Phillips KA, Castle DJ (2007). "How to help patients with olfactory reference syndrome" (PDF). Current psychiatry. 6 (3).
  9. ^ Daniel Van Steenberghe, Mel Rosenberg (1996). Bad breath : a multidisciplinary approach. Leuven: Leuven Univ. Press. pp. 231–234. ISBN 9789061867791.
  10. ^ Nir Sterer, Mel Rosenberg (2011). Breath odors origin, diagnosis, and management. Berlin: Springer. pp. 89–90. ISBN 9783642193125.
  11. ^ Munro, Alistair (1999). Delusional Disorder: Paranoia and Related Illnesses. Concepts in clinical psychiatry. Cambridge University Press. pp. 79, 91, 92. ISBN 9781139427326.
  12. ^ Diagnostic and statistical manual of mental disorders: DSM-5 (5th ed. ed.). Arlington, VA: Amer. Psychiatric Pub. Incorporated. 2013. p. 0. ISBN 9780890425541. {{cite book}}: |edition= has extra text (help)

Requested move 08 January 2014

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The result of the move request was: page moved per consensus. Wbm1058 (talk) 17:33, 12 January 2014 (UTC)Reply


Olfactory Reference SyndromeOlfactory reference syndromeLesion nominated the redirect Olfactory reference syndrome for deletion so this page could be moved over it. The stated reason was that they believe the article title should be sentence case not title case. Looking at the sources cited in the article, some use title case and others use sentence case, so I believe that a discussion needs to happen to determine which case Wikipedia should use. As RfD is the wrong forum for moves, this is a procedural RM discussion and I am neutral. Thryduulf (talk) 18:02, 8 January 2014 (UTC)Reply

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I recently changed my Wikipedia "skin" to modern from vector, and although everything is pretty and blue now, I am still getting used to the new layout, apologies. Lesion (talk) 03:33, 9 January 2014 (UTC)Reply

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To do list

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Parameter Phillips et al. 2006.[1] Feusner et al. 2010.[2] Begum and McKenna 2011.[3] Arenas et al. 2013.[4]
Number of included cases - - 84 55
Gender distribution 66.7% male; 33.3% female - 62% male; 38% female 55% male; 45% female
Age of onset (years) Mean mid 20s or earlier - mean 21 (range 11–48). <20 years in almost 60% of cases -
Time to diagnosis (years) Example Example 8 (range 0.5-48) Median 8, mean 10.45, range 0.5 - 48?
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Gaps in the psychiatric literature on ORS

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Currently I have not encountered a source which mentions these issues in relation to ORS, yet I feel they are important to raise, whether only on the talk page or in the article when suitable sources are available:

I suggest the phrase "foul or offensive body odor", which a good number of the researchers use. Mark D Worthen PsyD 10:30, 24 January 2014 (UTC)Reply
Thank you for feedback. While we should ordinarily state exactly what the sources are saying, I feel the addition of the qualifier "abnormal" is a "You don't need to cite that the sky is blue" situation. Normal body odors may be considered "foul" and "offensive". The suggested diagnostic criteria for this condition state that medical conditions which cause abnormal body odors negate the diagnosis. Therefore, it follows that someone may have ORS while having entirely normal body odors. Advertising has warped the public's idea of what is normal. Lesion (talk) 11:39, 24 January 2014 (UTC)Reply
Good point. You persuaded me. :o) - Mark D Worthen PsyD 01:31, 31 January 2014 (UTC)Reply
  • The reviews state that the majority of ORS patients cannot detect their own supposed odor, and suggests that this fact strengthens the ORS diagnosis. As noted in genuine halitosis patients, olfactory fatigue impairs the individuals' ability to detect their own smell. It follows that if patients with real odors cannot detect themselves, then the fact that someone cannot detect an odor, yet still believes that others can detect an odor is therefore not necessarily equal to ORS. Lesion (talk) 03:44, 10 January 2014 (UTC)Reply
  • (Sexism warning) ORS is said to effect males in a 2:1 ratio with females. Normally, "this kind of condition" is reported much more frequently in females, who are under more pressure from society and advertising to appear a certain way. Why do more males believe they have offensive odor? Could it be that males are generally more odorous than females and therefore more likely to develop an oversensitivity following a few bad experiences where others have made comments about them smelling? I also note from our body odor article that in humans, females have a more acute sense of smell than males. Might this impact on the gender distribution in ORS? Lesion (talk) 04:13, 10 January 2014 (UTC)Reply
  • Many (or indeed, all) of the medications that are recommended to treat ORS are xerogenic. Xerostomia is a contributing factor in genuine halitosis. I wonder if halitosis secondary to dry mouth is significant in reports regarding failure of treatment? Iatrogenically adding genuine halitosis to ORS seems counter-intuitive... Lesion (talk) 20:35, 12 January 2014 (UTC)Reply
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Not sure if we should keep these. It would be nice for people to have some links to seek treatment, but I suppose we should not give any commercial links. Not sure how others feel. Lesion (talk) 01:44, 10 January 2014 (UTC)Reply

I don't see a problem with these links. They are very reputable treatment centers in general. Plus you found the links doing your research, as opposed to a representative or doctor associated with a center posting a link. Mark D Worthen PsyD 10:24, 24 January 2014 (UTC)Reply
I am not sure who added these links, they were here before I came to the article. Usually it is just someone trying to be helpful rather than someone with a COI in my experience. Lesion (talk) 11:24, 24 January 2014 (UTC)Reply

Proposed merge with Bromidrosiphobia

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Purely based on the definition in this article, I believe it is indistinguishable from ORS, however I have yet to find any source to explicitly state this. Lesion (talk) 21:48, 12 January 2014 (UTC)Reply

Update: Begum 2011[3] does treat these as synonyms. I will merge the article as I believe it is noncontroversial. Lesion (talk) 03:40, 13 January 2014 (UTC)Reply
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