Talk:Ojibwe phonology

Rerated as C-Class

The three sections on phonotactics (in peculiar as pertaining to dialects), phonology and phonological processes are very short and are written in one piece. In an article on a language, this would be fine, but in a specialized article on phonology, examples in extra lines etc. would be more appropriate. There is all the space that one might need. Shortness and suboptimal style of presentation add up to less than B class. G Purevdorj (talk) 00:45, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

US-centric

It seems that the tagging of this article as USA-centric by Muckapedia is misguided. For example, they cite the term "American Indian" as evidence of this, though the context ("It is one of the largest American Indian languages north of Mexico...") and the link make it clear that this is talking about "the Americas", not the United States. However, the lead does say that the focus is on a particular Minnesotan variety. Are there sources that would allow us to give more prominence to other varieties for, if anything, more complete coverage? — Ƶ§œš¹ _{[aɪm ˈfɻɛ̃ⁿdˡi]} 20:06, 28 December 2009 (UTC)

"Vowels" section - removed material

I've removed the material below from the "Vowels" section, since it is unsourced. I do not believe the description is accurate in any event, i.e. "...additional vowels exists." (second line below) The reference is presumably to various allophones, not net new vowel phonemes. This material should be either documented or rewritten or left here.

In some Algonquin language communities, in some Wisconsin communities of Southwestern Ojibwe language and in some Saulteaux (Western Ojibwe language) communities surrounding Lake of the Woods, additional vowels exists. One of the most noted is the short e that have not transitioned to i like in most Ojibwe dialects. Often, the Wisconsin and some Saulteaux communities show a vowel reduction to a schwa, which in the Fiero orthography often is written as e, i or a when compared to the more common a or i. In eastern Wisconsin and western Upper Peninsula of Michigan, the Ojibwe also exhibits the diphthong ai as a variation of e; this is notable only because diphthongs generally do not exist in Ojibwe other than in those communities that have lost glottal stops. Through coalescence, the Odaawaa language, Central Ojibwe language and some Saulteaux, /wa/ and /waa/ have become /o/ and /oo/, while in some other Saulteaux communities became /u/ ([u]) and /uu/ ([uː]).

John. Jomeara421 (talk) 03:10, 30 December 2009 (UTC)

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Some tasks for improving the article: Cite sources inline I think it can be improved by rearranging the presentation a bit (grouping consonants, short vowels, long vowels, and nasal vowels together, for example). I'll experiment a bit on my user subpage to see how it looks. If possible, getting recordings, but that might be difficult, and it's not by any means essential. If I think of anything else, I'll add it here; others feel free to weigh in too. --Miskwito 01:16, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

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