Talk:Nothing Has Changed

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Requested move 3 February 2016

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The result of the move request was: Move. We have a clear consensus that this is the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC of the phrase. Cúchullain t/c 19:22, 15 February 2016 (UTC)Reply



– The album is clearly the primary topic, none of the other topics have a shred of notability in comparison. Not only do none of the other topics have articles, but the articles of the people responsible for them barely feature any info about them either. Unreal7 (talk) 11:45, 3 February 2016 (UTC)Reply

When did I say it was a studio album? I wish that for once you could actually give a valid reason for opposing and not state things which aren't even true. Unreal7 (talk) 16:10, 3 February 2016 (UTC)Reply
I am saying that if it was a studio album the proposal might have merit, that's all. But compilations? They are just record company repackaging of previous artistic material. In ictu oculi (talk) 17:54, 3 February 2016 (UTC)Reply
I too am befuddled by your non sequitur distinction between studio albums vs compilations. All that matters is the likelihood of this use of the name being sought compared to other uses of the same name which have articles on WP. Whether this use is an album, much less what kind of album, is totally and completely irrelevant. --В²C 20:09, 3 February 2016 (UTC)Reply
User:Unreal7 can you please explain why repeatedly muddling the books into the songs on the dab page was an improvement? In ictu oculi (talk) 17:39, 4 February 2016 (UTC)Reply
Unnecessary subtitles look extremely messy. Unreal7 (talk) 18:06, 4 February 2016 (UTC)Reply
This is your contention for years, but you need to organize a RFC to change what WP:DISAMBIGUATION says (that we do not disambiguate by title) In ictu oculi (talk) 08:24, 4 February 2016 (UTC)Reply
  • Support. The fact that there is only one WP:NOTABLE topic at the moment is essentially all we need. This is primarytopic by default. Dohn joe (talk) 17:05, 4 February 2016 (UTC)Reply
  • Support: It's the only ostensibly notable topic for this right now. While at least one of the books likely is, I suspect that the Bowie comp would remain the primary topic anyway (for better or worse; one consequence of us being so statistically minded about these things instead of more WP:COMMONSENSEical is that trivial crap like a compilation album can trump an original notable work, simply because it's temporarily popular after someone famous died.)

    I don't think this case is really a good application of the "naturally ambiguous" clause in the guideline. It doesn't mean "coincides with various comparable things that will shortly enough be vying for the same title". It means hopelessly confusing by its very construction. Probably the "canonical" cases for disambiguation in the absence of an extant article conflict (which is rare, but we definitely will do when necessary, per WP:RECOGNIZABLE and WP:PRECISE) are of two types:

    1. If the undisambiguated name is almost certain to be misunderstood by any reasonable person not intimately familiar with the topic, and mistaken for another valid topic. Thus, Argentine CriolloArgentine Criollo cattle, and Algerian ArabAlgerian Arab sheep, because both of the original names refer to real-world groups of people about whom we may have an article at any time, and because no one but a rare breeds expert would ever think those were animal breed names.
    2. If the undisambiguated name is so vague as to be meaningless, especially adjectives or adjectival phrases for which any of a number of things qualify: Blue GreyBlue Grey cattle, American LandraceAmerican Landrace pig, NicastreseNicastrese goat
    3. Or both of the above at once: British WhiteBritish White cattle; Welsh BlackWelsh Black cattle
(sorry all my examples are animal breeds; these are the ones I bothered to keep a log of, and there are a lot more of them). Anyway, no one is going to mistake "Nothing Has Changed" for something real, radically different, and more important that we just forgot to have an article about yet; there is no country by this name, nor is it a science, or an Olympic sport. It's also not an adjective phrase that could apply to a zillion things; there is no Nothing Has Changed albatross, Nothing Has Changed cucumber, and Nothing Has Changed dance style. So, while it is true that disambiguation means "make unambiguous" not just "prevent article title collision" (and more RM participants need to absorb that), this kind of case doesn't need to be made unambiguous until there is a collision, because no one's going to have a "WTF?" reaction to it. It's not naturally ambiguous. A hatnote atop the Bowie album article, pointing to the DAB page, will be sufficient.  — SMcCandlish ¢ ≽ʌⱷ҅ʌ≼  21:18, 5 February 2016 (UTC)Reply
Is this an opposition? I can't tell. Unreal7 (talk) 21:14, 11 February 2016 (UTC)Reply

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