Talk:Norman Hunter (footballer)

MBE

Why is there no mention of his MBE awarded in 2009? See [1]. 2A00:23C6:C780:DA00:F1F1:83D6:C3BB:62A (talk) 11:16, 17 April 2020 (UTC)

I've added that next to his name, really needs to be expanded on in a personal section. Govvy (talk) 11:22, 17 April 2020 (UTC)

The article refers to the World Cup Winners medals, NOT the MBE, so I have removed this from article.. Daemonickangaroo2018 (talk) 12:04, 17 April 2020 (UTC)

@Daemonickangaroo2018: Silly me, I really should of read that source, the IPv6 got me there!! Govvy (talk) 13:05, 17 April 2020 (UTC)

Marriage and personal life

The BBC (Norman Hunter dies: Leeds United great 'a man of steel who could produce silk', 17 April 2020) mentions with picture that “Hunter married Susan Harper in 1968”. Is there anything else known of his personal life that would be appropriate for this page? JDAWiseman (talk) 12:12, 17 April 2020 (UTC)

• I've added a sentence. Like many footballers of that era, there's not a huge amount else about him, unless more comes out in the obits. Black Kite (talk) 13:25, 17 April 2020 (UTC)

Requested move 21 March 2021

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: No consensus to move (non-admin closure) (t · c) buidhe 04:16, 3 April 2021 (UTC)

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• Norman Hunter (footballer) → Norman Hunter
• Norman Hunter → Norman Hunter (disambiguation)

– clear WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. Recieves overwhelming majority of page views (even barring the spike following his death) and has more long-term significance than either of the other Norman Hunters. Microwave Anarchist (talk) 13:41, 21 March 2021 (UTC) —Relisted. P.I. Ellsworth  ed. ^put'r there 05:36, 30 March 2021 (UTC)

Note: Norman Hunter titles a page with content and so it must also be dispositioned. If this request is granted, then Norman Hunter will be moved to Norman Hunter (disambiguation), as shown in this modified request. P.I. Ellsworth  ed. ^put'r there 18:37, 21 March 2021 (UTC)

Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related page moves. GiantSnowman 12:31, 22 March 2021 (UTC)

• Oppose - pageviews do not make a primary topic, see WP:PPT. GiantSnowman 12:35, 22 March 2021 (UTC)

@GiantSnowman: But they are a fair indication of a primary topic. And either way, he recieves far more coverage than either of the other Norman Hunter's in relable sources, so i feel it does qualify as a primary topic.

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The Damned United

I think the article needs a paragraph or two about this topic and I would like to incorporate any comments which Norman Hunter himself made upon it. There is very little on the internet except what seems a good interview with journalist Mark Alford on 30 March 2009, just after the film was released. Unfortunately, as I saw when I updated the article, Mr Alford was working for the "Daily Mail" and this site rightly (for political reasons, certainly) deprecates that rag as an unreliable source. Though I am not sure if the red flag should apply to its sports coverage, I have removed the reference and tried to work around it.

If anyone has access to media which holds comments by Norman about the book or film, especially about the way he personally was completely misrepresented (to a ridiculous degree, in fact) in the film, I'd be very grateful if you can add it to the article or at least point me in the right direction. Thank you. PearlyGigs (talk) 13:48, 17 August 2023 (UTC)

Content assessment

I am promoting the article to WP:BCLASS. I think it now meets the six criteria. It could use more content but, as per B2, the coverage is broad with no obvious omissions. It just depends on how much detail is desired. Thanks. PearlyGigs (talk) 22:12, 25 May 2024 (UTC)

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Norman Hunter (footballer)/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Nominator: PearlyGigs (talk · contribs) 11:15, 23 June 2024 (UTC)

Reviewer: Mike Christie (talk · contribs) 11:41, 28 June 2024 (UTC)

I'll review this. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 11:41, 28 June 2024 (UTC)

Starting with sources.

• What makes the following reliable sources? I'm not saying these are not reliable, just that I need to see more evidence that they meet our definition of reliable sources.
• englandfootballonline.com -- seems to be the work of two fans.
• fa-cupfinals.co.uk -- I can't tell anything about them but they say they are not any kind of official site.
• mightyleeds.co.uk -- seems to be the work of one fan
• englandstats.com -- I see this is listed at Wikipedia:WikiProject Football/Links and I will post at WT:FOOTY to ask about it.
• englandmemories.com -- looks like a Vietnamese betting site
• englishfootballstats.com -- can't find out anything about them

Once these are resolved I'll do some spotchecks. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library)

Hi, Mike Christie. Thanks for taking on the review. Some of these sites were used before I began editing the article so I really should have checked them out myself. I'm a bit pushed for time at the moment but I'll try and look at them over the weekend. Best wishes. PearlyGigs (talk) 18:48, 28 June 2024 (UTC)

No hurry; will keep an eye on this page. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 19:01, 28 June 2024 (UTC)

Also, see this, which gives an alternative for one of the above. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 19:03, 28 June 2024 (UTC)

Hi, Mike. Thanks for making that enquiry. As there's another citation for the Spain match, I've removed the englandstats one which I'm also unsure about. I've replaced the citations from sources 1, 5 and 6 above. I think sources 2 and 3 might be okay because they are used across a wide range of articles including some that are WP:GA. Even so, I've found additional sources for both statements. Could you please look at the revised citations and see what you think? All the best. PearlyGigs (talk) 22:10, 28 June 2024 (UTC)

The new sources look fine. I've struck three of the ones above; it looks like you're still using the first three. If the other sources do cover the material, there's no need to continue to use the original sources. E.g. I can't see the Liverpool Daily Post story, but I can find other newspaper reports that would cite the 1965 FA Cup Final, so I don't think you still need the original source there. If for some reason you do want to keep any of those sources we can ask at WT:FOOTY or if you can dig up more information about them that could work too. Do you have access to old newspaper archives? If not, I can help look up some of the old material for you. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 22:39, 28 June 2024 (UTC)

Hi, Mike. I've written to FOOTY about the top three sites to see what they think. Personally, I'd rather not use the two insecure ones but fa-cupfinals.co.uk is cited by over 150 articles including some that are GA. I do have access to the newspapers, thanks, via the WP library. I'll try and find some more sources and come back later today. Thanks again. PearlyGigs (talk) 07:54, 29 June 2024 (UTC)

Well, we seem to have a clear consensus that fa-cupfinals.co.uk is one to avoid, but the other two are okay. "Mighty Leeds" is respected because its creator is author Dave Tomlinson is, to all intents and purposes, an SME. As it happens, I'd already taken EFO out of Norman's article but no matter. I'll remove FACF but, as long as it's okay by you, I'll retain Mighty Leeds. Thanks again. PearlyGigs (talk) 11:50, 29 June 2024 (UTC)

That works for me. Are you planning to take this article to FAC, by the way? If so, I think those sources will get a bit more scrutiny, but I think they're good enough for GA. I'll carry on with the review now you've replaced the fa-cupfinals.co.uk citation. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 12:18, 29 June 2024 (UTC)

All three images come from Anefo, and I see from here that they are CC 1.0, so those are fine. Earwig finds no issues. Spotchecks -- footnotes refer to this version:

• FN 25 cites "Although they were newly promoted, Leeds had an exceptional season in 1964–65 and performed a "runners-up double" by finishing second in the league to Manchester United on goal average". Technically the source only covers the last half of this sentence; I wouldn't regard this as a real verification failure, but since bits of text get moved around I would suggest adding a source to cover the promotion, or the fact that they were in the Second Division the previous year.
• FNs 38 & 39 cite "Hunter was a key player for Leeds as they won the Football League Cup and the Inter-Cities Fairs Cup in 1968; and the League Championship in 1969." I don't see the dates for these given in the sources.
• FN 42 cites "At the end of the game, Hunter climbed the steps to the Royal box twice; once to collect his own medal, and then again to help Mick Jones negotiate his way up and down, as Jones had been receiving treatment for a dislocated elbow while his teammates had been getting their prizes." Verified.
• FN 50 cites "After 540 Football League appearances ...": the source only says "Leeds appearances"; the second part of this sentence points out that he actually had 726 appearances for Leeds, so we need a source that specifies that 540 only applies to the League.

I'll pause there to let you fix these and do another spotcheck once that's done. You might want to have a look through the other citations in case there are other imprecisions you could tighten up. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 12:35, 29 June 2024 (UTC)