Talk:Norilana Books

AfD Result Notice

This article was the subject of an AfD discussion closed on 17 May 2007. The result was "no consensus". Xoloz 03:14, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

Please don't delete this. There is no copyright infringement because I am the author of the words on the external quoted page -- Vera Nazarian.

Actually, the problem is not the copyright infringement right now, but instead the notability concerns. In order to qualify as a Wikipedia article, it needs to meet our Wikipedia:Notability criteria. Please try to find notable independent sources talking about this publisher (in example, an article in the BBC, CNN, New York Times, etc, etc). -- ReyBrujo 02:55, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

I believe the notability is sufficient -- Norilana Books is a new publisher that is releasing a new volume in the classic series Sword and Sorceress by the late and highly-notable author Marion Zimmer Bradley and a new novel by Sherwood Smith, in addition to upcoming works by RITA award-winning author Modean Moon, and a number of other projects to be announced very shortly.

Norilana Books is also notable because it is owned and operated by Vera Nazarian, a reasonably notable author.

If you need sources, please consider a page with guidelines for Sword and Sorceress from the Marion Zimmer Bradley Literary Works Trust: http://mzbworks.home.att.net/s22.htm

Pursuant to Wikipedia's copyright policies, it is incumbent upon the individual who contributes copied material to Wikipedia to confirm that they have permission to do so. Therefore, please follow the procedures specified at this link in order to confirm that you have received permission from the copyright holder. Thank you. --Butseriouslyfolks 04:02, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

I emailed "permissions-en AT wikimedia DOT org" with my request. Thank you. -- Vera Nazarian

The copyright infringing sentence has beeen rewritten. In addition the article has been significantly expanded. -- Vera Nazarian

I see no reason to delete this entry. Norilana books is a legitimate publisher (not a scam publisher) -- that alone is important, at least to those of us who are writers and need to be able to tell scam artists from others. Sources of information about Norilana include sfsite, Locus online, and Marion Zimmer Bradley's Literary Works Trust. It was actually pretty big news in the science fiction community when Norilana and MZB revived the Sword and Sorceress anthology series. To say that the Wiki entry is not 'notable' enough or reads like an advertisement simply because it lists books published by this publisher seems more indicative of predjudice against small presses than any legitimate concern about the entry. Blackhanddpants 12:07, 11 May 2007 (UTC)Blackhandedpants

What is the prejudice against legitimate small press? This is no scam (charging authors money) and no vanity (publishing its owner's work). Norilana Books recently published my latest book, and my readers seeking the book need the links. Sherwood Smith. Sartorias 6:00, 11 May 2007

• Keep Norilana is notable for resuming the venerable Marion Zimmer Bradley series and is publishing new works by well known science fiction and fantasy authors, such as Sherwood Smith, as well as reprinting many classics. I'm new here so forgive any newbie errors, but if the criteria for notability is "A topic is notable if it has received significant coverage in multiple reliable secondary sources that are independent of the topic" then Norilana qualifies as it has been directly addressed in independent sources such as Locus, SFSite, SFScope, numerous blogs (from independent sources), and the numerous books appear verifiably for sale on Amazon, Barnes & Noble. Andrewburt 13:55, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

Keep. Suggest http://www.publishersmarketplace.com/search.html as another independent source. Lindajdunn 18:42, 11 May 2007 (UTC)lindajdunn

This is a valid entry about a valid publisher and a valid author. There is no excuse for deleting this article. It contains correct and true information. The article has as much place in wikipedia as any other article.Christymarx 21:32, 11 May 2007 (UTC)christymarx

Based on the discussion here http://norilanabooks.livejournal.com/ it would appear that this entry should be deleted.

Other sources

There are also mentions of Norilana on small niche-market sites, such as Speculations: Market Chat (http://www.speculations.com/?t=81422) and SFScope (http://sfscope.com/2007/02/).

This is a legitimate small press, with books being carried by Barnes and Noble, Amazon, and other retailers. I have no doubt that it will soon also be listed in Writer's Market, if it's not already.

Aabbott 00:36, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

I saw these same references, and "Modean Moon's three paranormal romance novels from the mid-1990s to be reprinted by Norilana Books." at http://sfscope.com/2007/02. I believe this is one of the first, if not the first, independent small science fiction/fantasy presses to be wholly woman-owned and operated. ASterling 03:43, 12 May 2007 (UTC)ASterling

Norilana Books and Vera Nazarian are mentioned at Publishers Marketplace, a key source for publishing industry professionals. See the citation in the right margin of this page under the heading "Writers and Independents." http://72.14.253.104/search?q=cache:6riuJsez43wJ:www.publishersmarketplace.com/+Norilana+Books&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=21&gl=us&client=firefox-a

Norilana is also cited as publisher of the latest in the ground-breaking "Sword and Sorceress" series of anthologies (#22) for the Marion Zimmer Bradley Literary Works Trust homepage: http://mzbworks.home.att.net/s22.htm This series of anthologies has been a staple of the fantasy genre for many years and its revival by Norilana is, in fact, a notable event, as the Wikipedia article on the series attests: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sword_and_Sorceress_series

Suggested Links for Norilana Books

http://sfscope.com/2007/02/modean-moons-novels-to-be-repr.html

SFScope posts news that three paranormal romances by RITA-winning author Modean Moon will be reprinted by Norilana Books. 02/13/2007

http://www.sfwa.org/pressbook/07/0423b-Nazarian-Norilana.html

Pre-order info for SENRID announced. 04/19/2007. SFWA does its best to police its own members, and would not allow a press release to be posted on its site if there was any report of the publisher being unreliable, or inflating its current status. They have a resource called “Writer Beware” that keeps an eye peeled for fraudulent behavior. (http://www.sfwa.org/beware/)

Norilana was one author's answer to the fact that many wonderful contemporary writers of fantastic literature are falling through the cracks. Where it used to be that you'd have five or six cracks at the market before a publisher gave up on you, now the major market is more likely to cut a series after two books. Sometimes that cut is complete, as in allowing the writer to keep an advance, but not publishing the third book. Sometimes, it means a downgrade from hardback to paperback for the third book.

I do know that the sequels and related stories to the popular books and universe of writer Sherwood Smith have been tied up in what is apparently a snarl of big house red tape, orphaned books, agent missteps, and simply sacrificing the lesser-known writer in a search for "the next J.K. Rowling." (Verification of this might be interesting, but doesn't seem to be a "value added" addition to the discussed publisher post without, say, a published interview with said author Smith as a source.) I think such cases helped shape Nazarian’s resolve to form a line. Repackaging classics in a highly readable form, with elegant covers in fair use, takes B&N's reprint series to new heights, and starts up a revenue stream for the new company. Modean Moon is an award-winning paranormal romance writer. Norilana is attempting to publish a high-quality line.

In this, is Wikipedia penalizing an enterprising publisher from carving out a reputable name in a fermenting field?

My point is that there are dozens of small presses sprouting up. Wikipedia should not shill for them – but factual statements that could help, say, a magazine or blog writer discuss the explosion of regional presses are part of the reason I would check Wikipedia to see if anything useful crops up.

This small entry looks legit, does not hurt Wikipedia and adds to the spider web of information about recent small press publishing. I’d say it’s worth keeping.

Dragonrain83 07:00, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

KEEP. This listing is not an advert, merely informational about a publisher for whom we now have lots of evidence it is notable in the the science fiction field.

COI

Given the extensive editing since creation, I'm removing the COI warning. Shsilver 15:50, 17 May 2007 (UTC)