Talk:No Saint/GA1

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GA Review

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Reviewer: Thebiguglyalien (talk · contribs) 00:02, 25 August 2023 (UTC)Reply


I'll have a review for this within the next day or two. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 00:02, 25 August 2023 (UTC)Reply

Sebbirrrr, the review is posted below. There are some issues that need to be resolved before this can be considered a GA. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 06:37, 25 August 2023 (UTC)Reply

  Well-written

Lead:

  • Before she was signed to the aforementioned label, Jenkins performed at various establishments. – This doesn't really say anything and probably isn't important enough for the lead.
    • I believe it adds to her background. Otherwise we'd be left with Her producer sent demos he had worked on with her to several labels, and she signed with Big Machine which seems out of place
  • Music critics commented on Jenkins's vocal delivery. – This doesn't tell the reader anything. The next sentence says the same thing, but gives more information.
    • Removed

Background:

  • I know identity document is technically the correct term, but it doesn't feel like natural English.
    • I'm not sure how else to reword it as the source calls it that. Maybe something like "she performed under different identities", although it may sound weird
      • Yeah, the only thing I can think of is "using fake IDs", but that might go the other way and be too informal. I'll leave it to you what you think the best wording is. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 21:24, 26 August 2023 (UTC)Reply
        • I think identity document is alright to use
  • She also attempted to perform – "Attempted to" implies that she failed. In this case, a wording closer to the source might be appropriate, or maybe something like "she sought out coffee shops and airports where she could perform".
    • Reworded to your suggestion
  • Jenkins stated that the album consisted of songs... – Would this fit better as a description of the music in the section below?
    • It does. Moved it below
  • Reuter noted that her "passion for storytelling" – This is Reuter's opinion, but "noted" presents it as a fact (MOS:SAID). Also, it might fit better with the other critics' opinions.
    • Replaced "noted". It seems more like a comment to me
  • she took photos – Unclear how the photos related to the packaging

Music and lyrics:

  • labeled the album's sound as one which comprises – Unnecessarily wordy
    • Reworded
  • main themes are drinking alcohol, romance, and self-doubt – This could be read as saying the themes are drinking alcohol, drinking romance, and drinking self-doubt. It's not really clear how "drinking alcohol" is a theme, since that's just an action. Also, this sentence seems randomly stuck in, as it has nothing to do with the sentences before or after it and no attempt is made to connect them.
    • Moved it in the paragraph below. She mentions drinking in some of the songs so I think it should be included, otherwise the sources wouldn't have mentioned it as a "theme" (yes I think it's odd but it looks like it was considered a theme)
      • Would it still represent the sources if it just said "alcohol" as a theme instead of "drinking alcohol"? A noun sounds more natural than a verb here.
        • Amended
  • Does the production info belong under "music and lyrics"? It should probably be in its own "production" section. It could also be combined with the release information and maybe the promotion information into a single "production and release" section.
    • I don't think there's much to say about the production (see below), nor about the release
  • A Taste of Country reviewer assimilated it – Swap "assimilated". "Compared" is fine.
    • Done
  • whom Jenkins observes ruining themselves through drugs and alcohol – Can this be reworded?
    • I tried but I'm not sure how to reword it

Promotion:

  • On the same day as Jenkins's album's release date was announced, – Reword
    • Removed entirely as it seems trivial
  • made available the single "Maker's Mark and You" – Change to "released the single" or "made the single Maker's Mark and You available"
    • Reworded to the latter

Reception:

  • AllMusic's Stephen Thomas Erlewine noted that Jenkins's voice – Uses "noted" to describe an opinion
    • Replaced
  • and distinctive "at times" on the album – Unclear what this means
    • Reworded, I put "at times" in the wrong place
  • affirmed that Jenkins ignored all rules about what country music is – "Affirmed" suggests it's a fact the same way "noted" does.
    • Replaced
  Verifiable with no original research

AllMusic's reliability is disputed. The critics' reviews posted on it are fine, but for other things a better source would be preferred if possible. All other sources appear to be reliable.

Spot checks:

  • [1] Dauphin (2014)  Y
  • [5] Hollabaugh (2018)  Y
  • [11] Horowitz (2019):
    • Her vocal delivery was compared to that of singers Sheryl Crow and Stevie Nicks – This is the author's opinion and should be attributed in-text.
      • Added
    • She struggles to forgive her lover for their wrongdoings – Does this source add anything here that the other two don't already cover? Since neither of the quotes are in this source, it just makes verification trickier.
      • It doesn't, my bad
    • The latter is a mid-tempo ballad which, according to Billboard's Annie Reuter – If it's attributed to Reuter, then why is it also cited to Horowitz?
      • I combined what Horowitz said (he called it a mid-tempo ballad) with Reuter's statement. I thought that having two sentences for a song would be an overkill but let me know if the way it is now is confusing
    • was composed for a family member – This source says "friend".
      • Changed to "someone" as it's not clear
  • [15] Rhodes (2019):
    • Same as with Horowitz, neither of those quotes are in this source, so does it need to be here?
      • Which quotes are you referring to?
        • I meant to refer to the same She struggles to forgive her lover for their wrongdoings line. You removed Horowitz, but can Rhodes be removed as well? Thebiguglyalien (talk) 21:24, 26 August 2023 (UTC)Reply
          • I think it should be kept as it talks about the unable to forgive someone for their transgressions bit which I don't think the other source clearly states
    • Not sure if this verifies the bit about "My Bar".
      • It verifies the bit about Jenkins frequenting the bar
  • [18] Moss (2019)  Y
  Broad in its coverage

There's very little about the album's production. Can more be found about the processes of writing and recording the album?

  • Unfortunately not. The only thing I could identify is the part where Jenkins talks about how old/new the songs are...
  Neutral

No ideas are given undue weight.

  Stable

No recent disputes.

  Illustrated

The album cover has a valid non-free use rationale.

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