Talk:Nik Stauskas

102 3-pointers in 5 minutes

Does anyone know how three point shot lines in U.S./Canada/International, high school/college/pros and within international play how they differ for U17/U19/open men? My guess is that those are a shorter distance than the NCAA 3-point line, but since he was in high school in 2011, his parents live in Canada and he plays international basketball, I don't know if it was some other official distance.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 16:43, 4 December 2012 (UTC)

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Nik Stauskas/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Albacore (talk · contribs) 17:36, 8 March 2013 (UTC)

• I will review this article shortly. Albacore (talk) 17:36, 8 March 2013 (UTC)

Review

• No DAB links, no dead links, files look OK in terms of copyright (reviewed off of this diff

• There are a few references I would like to have you explain the reliability of: New England Recruiting Report, Michigan Live LLC (which in ref 24 and 33 have a double period). Ref 19 needs the ESPN publisher and link. There's something amiss with ref 45. What justifies Twitter as a reliable source? Refs 53, 55 should be ndashes instead of just hyphens.
  • Double periods eliminated.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 22:23, 9 March 2013 (UTC)
  • There was a typo in the publisher parameter (publishr).--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 22:32, 9 March 2013 (UTC)
  • ndashes fixed.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 22:39, 9 March 2013 (UTC)
  • 45 fixed.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 22:42, 9 March 2013 (UTC)
  • Re WP:RS
    1. New England Recruiting Report: Removed. (Covered by other ref)
    2. Michigan Live LL: Although it is difficult for me to establish that there is an editorial review process, that would make this a standard RS consideration, I am able to assert that this is not some blog out of a back office somewhere with this link. In addition, the author is considered a reliable source in this same article when publishing under the AnnArbor.com heading.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 22:52, 9 March 2013 (UTC)
    3. Twitter: This is a case, where we are just doing our best to inform the reader. We have a reliable source who tweeted an image. There are no reliable sources to elucidate on the content of that image. We could leave it unexplained or present transparently that a follower of the RS explained the image. The explanation is quite believable and we leave it to the reader to weigh the credibility of the follower. We know that he did make 3 e-pointers on that date. We have all seen fans putting K's on the wall for their favorite strikeout pitchers. Who does not believe that they post a replica of this flag for each three pointer he makes. Basically, do we believe we are making a better presentation by telling the reader what a follower said or not. We would not present a twitter follower as an expert on much, but this is just a rare case where I think it is O.K. to present this information in this format.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 22:59, 9 March 2013 (UTC)

• Choose either @ or "at" for the external links. I personally prefer "at" so as to avoid any confusion.
  • Done.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 22:29, 9 March 2013 (UTC)

Lead

• Can you spell out "NCAA" before you abbreviate it?
  • Done.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 23:02, 9 March 2013 (UTC)
• I don't think Canada needs to be linked.
  • O.K.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 23:07, 9 March 2013 (UTC)
• Can you link Big Ten Conference?
  • done.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 23:03, 9 March 2013 (UTC)
• By the end of December of that year he had been named Big Ten Conference Freshman of the Week three times. At the end ... Can you reword the start of the second sentence to avoid "the end"?
  • O.K.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 23:05, 9 March 2013 (UTC)
• At the end of January, he was named to the Wayman Tisdale Award ⋅(USBWA National Freshman of the Year) top 12 midseason list. Why the bullet? And can you give an explanation of the "top 12 midseason list"?
  • removed stray text.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 23:12, 9 March 2013 (UTC)
  • Explained in main body.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 23:15, 9 March 2013 (UTC)

International play

• Stauskas averaged 9.4 points per game in the tournament,[53] including a game-high 21 points in a 126–78 loss against the United States team led by Bradley Beal and James Michael McAdoo on June 20, 2009.[54] Wordy, almost a run-on sentence. I would remove the "led by Bradley Beal and James Michael McAdoo" part of the sentence.
  • I believe these two names contextualize the performance by documenting his notable contemporaries.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 23:15, 9 March 2013 (UTC)

• I'd change on of the "Stauskas"s to a "he" since the three sentences in the paragraph start with "Stauskas"
  • Done.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 23:17, 9 March 2013 (UTC)

Personal

• Looks good besides the Twitter question above.

I will finish the review when these comments are responded to. Albacore (talk) 17:57, 9 March 2013 (UTC)

Background

• Some consider the NBA's September 30, 1993 announcement that it was awarding its 28th franchise to Canadian businessmen as the beginning of the story of Stauskas, who was born 7 days later. Some Who?
  • Fixed.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 03:47, 11 March 2013 (UTC)
• This decision opened up a whole new set of aspirations for canadian youth. Caps on Canadian, and according to who?
  • This whole paragraph is sourced to the citation at the end of the paragraph. What changes would you like in this regard?--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 03:49, 11 March 2013 (UTC)
    • Add an "according to Doster" to the end of the sentence, with the first ref at the end. Albacore (talk) 00:48, 13 March 2013 (UTC)
      • Done.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 01:52, 13 March 2013 (UTC)
• Stauskas has never played ice hockey and barely has even played street hockey. had, and I would remove "even" for neutrality.
  • Fixed.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 03:51, 11 March 2013 (UTC)
• On March 26, 2011, Stauskas made a verbal commitment to Michigan, making him the second member of the school's recruiting class of 2012. Unclear what school is being referred to (Michigan or the high school).
  • You are actually pointing to the wrong grammatical imbiguity. The high school is not mentioned in the sentence, so it is unambiguous what is the referent is (the only school in the sentence). However, the problem with the sentence is that making refers to the most immediately adjacent noun, which may suggest that Michigan made him the second member. I will split it into two sentences.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 03:58, 11 March 2013 (UTC)

College career

• Can you explain what (#18/18) means?
  • Is it clearer with the links?--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 04:22, 11 March 2013 (UTC)
    • Yes. Albacore (talk) 00:48, 13 March 2013 (UTC)
• On December 29, against the Central Michigan, remove "the".
  • Fixed.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 04:00, 11 March 2013 (UTC)

• Can you update the stats from Jan. 28?
  • When the season ends I will have a source that represents the end of the season. I can add a source for conference games.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 04:04, 11 March 2013 (UTC)

• I'm not convinced of the Penn State notability. 6 free throws and 4 assists don't strike me as particularly noteworthy, and they only tied career highs.
  • There was not much else to say for February since he didn't win any Player of the week. Do you want me to remove the whole sentence.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 04:19, 11 March 2013 (UTC)
    • Yes, I think you should remove the sentence. Cutting the sentence reduces the stat-heavy text by removing a sentence, basically only made of stats. Albacore (talk) 00:48, 13 March 2013 (UTC)
      • Done.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 01:50, 13 March 2013 (UTC)
• Note the article is very heavy on the freshman year, you should cut back on some of the content when as he progresses. Albacore (talk) 02:54, 10 March 2013 (UTC)
• Pass. Albacore (talk) 23:01, 13 March 2013 (UTC)

Wiggins an AAU teammate

When was Stauskas a teammate with Andrew Wiggins (http://m.si.com/3098376/trey-burke-not-hottest-name-in-draft-but-he-could-be-the-best-player/).--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 19:57, 26 June 2013 (UTC)

Dual citizenship

I have some concern about Stauskas' dual citizenship information and raised the issue on this discussion. Any comments and opinion are welcomed. — MT (talk) 04:52, 29 June 2014 (UTC)

Trade to 76ers

I noticed that this article is tagged "The subject of this article is in the news regarding a reported trade. Information regarding the trade may be based on anonymous sources and/or awaiting an official announcement. Initial news reports may be unreliable.", but multiple reliable sources have reported the trade. At what point can the article be updated based on the new information? VeraBaby (talk) 20:19, 2 July 2015 (UTC)

@VeraBaby: The trade is not official. It has been reported that is being traded, but until the 76ers or the Kings announce it (which they haven't and can not until the moratorium ends on July 9), we do not update on this. Wikipedia is not a rumor mill, we update based off official sources i.e. NBA.com. DaHuzyBru (talk) 09:04, 3 July 2015 (UTC)

Injured or suspended?

Resolved

--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 05:01, 16 September 2015 (UTC)

Stauskas did not play in the final game of the 2015 FIBA Americas Championship and given his stats from the first 9 games 12.3 ppg and 50% 3 point shooting in over 23 minutes per game, I doubt it was a DNP-CD. Does anyone know why?--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 23:53, 15 September 2015 (UTC)

He was dealing with food poisoning. [1] Zagalejo^^^ 05:23, 17 September 2015 (UTC)

Well, looks like you already figured that out. Zagalejo^^^ 05:24, 17 September 2015 (UTC)

Nik Stauskas article mentioned as bloated in the press

InedibleHulk has noted that this article has been the subject of media attention at here. I am the primary editor of this article and created it November 30, 2012 with this version. The following is written to the author of that article in the media. I create basketball bios for high school and college basketball players from the Chicago area and the University of Michigan. I have been through wranglings regarding articles deemed as bloated in the past. Both Jabari Parker and Jahlil Okafor have been chopped down in this regard. In fact, the Jabari Parker article was chopped down so far that when he returned from injury earlier this year to play his old crosstown rival, Okafor, and the Associated Press noted the rivalry in their summary, it was difficult even look at the WP articles and understand the rivalry. That being said, the articles may have had more detail than necessary.

Wikipedia beleives that notability is permanent. I.e., if you were ever notable enough to warrant a page on WP, you will forever be notable enough to warrant a page. However, it seems that when a person is having his day in the sun, the article may be deserving of more editorial focus than when he is not. I.e., when a player is a Big Ten Conference Men's Basketball Player of the Year and lottery pick, people may want to read a lot about a player and when he does not pan out as a pro, they may be less interested in extensive detail about his article. I don't think that in June 2014, the content was considered excessive, but it may now be.

As an editor on WP, I love to learn details about things and I put a lot of details in articles. WP has a feature called did you know which puts new and newly expanded content on the main page. One of the rules is that if you expand an article to 5 times its previous size, it is considered newly expanded. I have a skill that I could probably take any sort of ignored article and make it 5 times longer. The most recent example of this is Hayden Epstein, which is now scheduled to appear on the main page on 18 December 19:00 (New York Time). Is the current Epstein article more useful than when it was one-fifth as long with this version before I got involved on November 15? I don't know. Maybe I added a lot of unnecessary filler. Is Nik Stauskas' article 5 times as long as it needs to be? Based on your comparison tables and his current global encyclopedic merit (or lack thereof as you note he is a player "playing limited minutes for bad teams"), maybe his article should be 20% of its current size. I don't know. I am pretty sure I could make many of the comparable articles 5 times longer if I wanted to.

I edit with a fact by fact method. I add a fact and add inline citations immediately following that fact. The reason that his article has so many references is that each fact has an IC. I.e, almost every sentence has one. This enables the reader to verify every element of the article. There are not a lot of facts with 3 or 4 inline citations, so removing ICs, is probably only appropriate if you are going to remove facts. However, maybe you or someone else wants to remove a lot of facts. There are probably a bunch of other bios on WP that I have been involved in that could be shortened. I am not going to spend time pruning the article, but WP allows anyone to edit any article. So have at it if you think that is what is best for the reader.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 05:15, 16 December 2015 (UTC)