Talk:New People's Army rebellion

Update: Adding new material for Non-NPA conflicts, and requesting expansion re. Benigno Aquino III admin incidents (August 2022)

In light of the discussion in the last move discussion, I've looked at ways to improve the coverage of the topic, possibly to make way for the proposed creation of a new, separate NPA rebellion article. Now that it's done, I think just expanding the timeline to add the histories of the defunct CPLA and RPA-ABB conflicts, plus the ongoing Central Luzon MLPP conflict, addresses a lot of my old concerns. (Maybe with the later addition of the RPM-M if an article on that is ever created, and if the RPM-M happens to still be active.)

Just letting the community know that the expansion was done.

I will try to work towards a new section covering events which took place during the Benigno Aquino III administration, which is not covered in the article. But if someone else wants to do that, you're more than welcome. Chieharumachi (talk) 01:08, 18 August 2022 (UTC)

Proposal to change the title

i propose to change the title of the article from Communist rebellion in Phillipines to communist insurgency in Phillipines. Because it is not so high intensity conflict that we can use rebellion. DitorWiki (talk) 15:12, 10 March 2023 (UTC)

x 64.8.142.227 (talk) 18:28, 6 April 2023 (UTC)

My opinion remains unchanged from the previous move discussion. I oppose renaming from "rebellion" to "insurgency". pandakekok9 (talk) Resist internet censorship in the Philippines! 13:55, 7 April 2023 (UTC)

Moving to New People's Army conflict or New People's Army rebellion

Given the growth of the Communist armed conflicts in the Philippines article discussed above, maybe it's now time to propose a move of this artcile to New People's Army conflict, named such so that it's a good parallel to Moro conflict.

But if that name isn't to the community's liking, I think New People's Army rebellion, which redirects here, is also a viable alternative. Perhaps the community can comment before a final move proposal is developed? - Chieharumachi (talk) 06:38, 17 April 2023 (UTC)

Just a note: since there haven't been any comments here yet, and there have been some edits in the main article space, I'm considering putting up the move proposal already, with the proposed target being New People's Army conflict. But this discussion is currently four days old, I think I'll wait another day (Day 5) before I do so, on the odds that others might still decide to share their opinions before the move proposal is raised formally. - Chieharumachi (talk) 13:11, 21 April 2023 (UTC)

Requested move 22 April 2023

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: moved. Consensus appears to exist to move to "New People's Army rebellion". A request has been raised at RM/TR. (non-admin closure) EggRoll97 ^(talk) 19:05, 8 May 2023 (UTC)

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Communist rebellion in the Philippines → New People's Army conflict – Given that other past and present communist conflicts are now covered at Communist armed conflicts in the Philippines, in light of previous discussions, and in an effort to avoid confusion due to an overbroad article title, I propose that this article be moved to New People's Army conflict.

Given that material about other communist conflicts (the defunct Hukbalahap, CPLA, and ABB conflicts as well as the active MLPP and RWP conflicts) has been moved to Communist armed conflicts in the Philippines, the article is now primarily about the conflict between the New People's Army (NPA) of the Communist Party of the Philippines (CPP), which also involves its political wing, the National Democratic Front (NDF). Since there have been objections to the use of the long acronym "CPP-NPA-NDF", and it is the NPA which is the direct participant in the conflict, "New People's Army conflict" would be a viable accurate title.

On a last note, the term "conflict" has been proposed here because it seems to have been recognized, in previous discussions, as the most neutral descriptor. The use of "conflict" also neatly parallels the other major conflict in contemporary Philippine history, which is the Moro conflict. If there are any of objections to conflict, I suppose "New People's Army rebellion" is a viable alternate name, although some proposals to change it have been put forward in the past, and it is my belief that "conflict" will finally lead to a stable article title. Thank you. Looking forward to everyone's feedback, and a final, stable, NPOV article title. Chieharumachi (talk) 05:25, 22 April 2023 (UTC) — Relisting. – MaterialWorks 15:02, 29 April 2023 (UTC)

• Comment – the word conflict needs either a locational descriptor ("Philippine conflict") or stating both sides ("conflict between the government and New People's Army") so I oppose the proposal as stated. If the descriptor "Communist" is overbroad as you say (and I tend to agree), you can clarify it further as "New People's Army insurgence" or "rebellion", which I can support. No such user (talk) 13:47, 25 April 2023 (UTC)
• Keep status quo, or move to New People's Army rebellion. Still the WP:NC title between the government and the NPA is "Communist rebellion". Won't oppose to "New People's Army rebellion" or "New People's Army insurgency" as those are acceptable names to the conflict, of which No such user expounds that we can't really use that word. The NPA has been battling other splinter groups aside from the government so if we'd be using "conflict between the government and New People's Army," it loses other activities by the NPA. Stupid question: What is the best term to capture conflicts between the NPA and its splinter groups? Or, are we going to limit the scope of this article to just government vs. NPA? If we'd do, should we create another article re: NPA vs. splinter groups? Howard the Duck (talk) 15:05, 26 April 2023 (UTC)
• Move to "New People's Army rebellion" now, resolve the rebellion/conflict question later. Voting and also adapting my proposal. I had originally thought it best to resolve "rebellion/insurgency/conflict" and "NPA/communist" in one go, for the sake of efficiency, but if the "rebellion/insurgency/conflict" is more contentious, I think we should just act now to resolve the overbroad descriptor "communist." As for the question of the conflicts of the NPA with other groups, well, I thought that was one of the advantages of "conflict," which we could describe as "armed conflicts involving the New People's Army in the Philippines." But yes, we should move this to New People's Army rebellion" now, resolve the rebellion/conflict question later. - Chieharumachi (talk) 02:45, 28 April 2023 (UTC)
• Support- moving "Communist rebellion in the Philippines" to "New People's Army rebellion" as proposed. Channahnocturne (talk) 01:49, 5 May 2023 (UTC)
• Support- move "Communist rebellion in the Philippines" to "New People's Army rebellion" as it paves the way for more nuanced discussion on what is otherwise a very broad topic Timothy James M. Dimacali (talk) 03:33, 5 May 2023 (UTC)

Note: WikiProject Tambayan Philippines has been notified of this discussion. —hueman1 (talk • contributions) 03:30, 28 April 2023 (UTC)

Relisting comment: Relisting to get a clearer consensus and more participation. – MaterialWorks 15:02, 29 April 2023 (UTC)

• New Peoples Army In ictu oculi (talk) 16:52, 29 April 2023 (UTC)

  @In ictu oculi: I'm sorry, but what do you mean by New Peoples Army? —hueman1 (talk • contributions) 04:08, 8 May 2023 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

One of the sources leads to a generic "security group" page

"Despite the massive amount of aid previously received, foreign support eventually dried up following the 1990s collapse of socialist governments worldwide.[6]"

Very broad loaded claim with no source that says nothing meaningful. 2001:56B:9FEE:9222:0:6:5700:7D01 (talk) 18:52, 27 July 2023 (UTC)