Talk:Benjamin Netanyahu

Is BiBi Netanyahu Jewish or Polish?

There has been some controversy online alleging that Netanyahu's son, currently in USA to avoid IDF draft into Gaza war, had a DNA test and came out as Polish, not Jewish, and that the test indicates his father is Polish, not Jewish. Given that the Pentateuch, used as a "legal" document by the Zionists, says that only the "seed" of Abraham inherits the Promised Land, and does not say that the Polish people inherit the Promised Land, it would be useful to open up a section here on DNA in Israel; but certainly, Netanyahu's DNA should be discussed, since he is committing genocide against people who are in fact Semites and the "seed" of Abraham.

It is also alleged that Israel by law has disallowed publication of Israeli DNA results, the implication being that they are hiding something, i.e., that most Israelis are not even Jewish. Apparently, in 1948, the UN unimaginably recognized Israel based on the "Old Testament" promise of "god" to the Hebrews/Jews. Nobody's religious books should be used as part of international law. However, if in this case the Pentateuch was used to recognize Israel, then any misidentification of Israelis as Jewish, meaning as the "seed" of Abraham when they might not be, becomes very relevant to the existence of the state of Israel. Let's have a discussion about this. Because if there is no "seed" of Abraham, there is no tie to the land for so-called Israelis (contrary to Palestinians who have clear historic and genetic ties to all that land), and international law requires a tie to the land for recognition.

By the way, the recognition requirement of a tie to the land in fact means a physically unbroken tie to the land, consistent occupancy. There is no consistent "Israeli" occupancy of the land they took from the Palestinians in 1948 et seq. These newcomers arrived from all parts of the world, were provided with arms, apparently by the British; and apparently never before in international law has a group of foreign migrants from all parts been recognized on soil occupied historically by others, let alone occupied by those others for some 2000 years. So, these foreign militants were given quite a big favor, quite a big exception from international law. And if their claim in addition can't even be supported by DNA, the whole thing is a major international fraud.

So let's have a discussion on Netanyahu's and Israelis' DNA, and find out what's going on.

no mention of calls to jail journalists

why is there no criticism section for one of the top 5 most divisive and criticized political leaders of the last 50 years? This protected page reads like a straight up fluff piece, and there is no mention of any criticisms of this guy.

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2020-06-11/ty-article/.premium/netanyahu-says-journalist-should-be-jailed-for-airing-leaked-recordings-of-pm-crony/0000017f-e5de-dc7e-adff-f5ffc6e60000

that is an article published in Israel about the time he called for journalists to be jailed. His own party is looking to prosecute journalists currently, which makes me think it is relevant that he has expressed these types of abhorrent views before. I also think it is telling that the relatively short section of this article relating to Netanyahu's criminal activity is by far the most well sourced portion of this article, and significantly shorter than other portions of this article that only rely on 2 or 3 sources.

Transliteration in lead line

Overwrought and incorrect inline Hebrew romanisation. Never would a Hebrew shva be transliterated as a macronised vowel. Please change Binyāmīn Nētanyāhū to Binyamin Netanyahu in accordance with WP:HEBREW. —Biolongvistul (talk) 14:39, 21 January 2024 (UTC)

 Done * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 01:26, 31 March 2024 (UTC)

Grammar improvement

You said: "him for imprisoning journalists in a tweet". Surely, that should read: "him in a tweet for imprisoning journalists"

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 20 March 2024

no mention of genocide in Palenstine, not very factual. Will stop using this Biased "source" of information. 82.9.125.177 (talk) 01:17, 20 March 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Goldsztajn (talk) 21:15, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

@User:82.9.125.177 have you read the lead? I added it there the day after you commented this, it’s in the 4th paragraph along with other controversies. It can’t be in the 1st paragraph due to Wikipedia policy and it doesn’t fit in the 2nd and 3rd. (The bit referring to trump is about to be replaced with a paragraph on his politics, see “ICJ case” below. As a general rule, instead of complaining about bias you should go to correct it and be constructive

Alexanderkowal (talk) 21:20, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

Succession box needs updating.

Current term is not reflected.
Idyllic press (talk) 11:12, 20 March 2024 (UTC)

ICJ case

@Totalstgamer I disagree with your reverting of my edit.

The two sentences about the ICJ case deserved the position they had in the article. If a government you are leading gets a case filed against it in the highest international court, that is extremely notable and relevant due to its recency. Also, on mobile it came underneath the info box which is appropriate in my view (it shouldn’t be in the first paragraph).

The reason I created a new section under ‘Biography’ is because this article is ridiculously long. Very few people are going to read all of it. A lead should be short and concise. It makes sense to have a shorter summary of his life first and then go into more detail below.

Please address these points when you have the time or I will add my edit again. Alexanderkowal (talk) 01:23, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

In retrospect, I can live with it being in the shorter version among context. Alexanderkowal (talk) 01:26, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

Perhaps change the section to ‘Biography (summary)’ Alexanderkowal (talk) 01:28, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

Beginning with the ICJ Sentence, the ICJ case is notable, hence its inclusion in the lede, but whether its more notable than Netanyahu's early life, political career and criminal indictments remains to be seen. If the lead is to be seen as a concise telling of the article, the location of content should be based on context more than our determination of notability. As for the creation of the new section, the article is Gigantic, and the general rule with leads as i remember it is roughly four paragraphs. We can without a doubt discuss a shortened lead (As has been done several times over the last few years), but this would include striking out parts of existing paragraphs rather than creating another section within the article.

Please do not alter the article any further until a consensus has been reached. Totalstgamer (talk) 01:28, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

@Totalstgamer I agree with your moving of the ICJ case, if his government were convicted then I would expect it to be in the first paragraph.

I do disagree with the length of the lead, I think it would be better organised into a new section called ‘Biography (summary)’. The four paragraphs are too long imo. I haven’t seen another article with such a long lead, usually a paragraph is two sentences. Alexanderkowal (talk) 01:46, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

They do exist though, especially for controversial individuals. Donald Trump, Vladimir Putin, Silvio Berlusconi, Boris Johnson to name a few people with four paragraphs, some longer and some shorter than Netanyahu's. Regardless, Any removals need to be made on the basis that the information is plain irrelevant, which doesn't really happen in this lead imo (since we cut that out a while ago). Feel free to propose a revised version and we'll discuss it tomorrow. Regardless, don't alter the lead until then.

Also, the government being convicted wouldn't automatically move it to first-paragraph status, since that's reserved for basic biographical details and it wouldn't necessarily fit with the flow of the lead Totalstgamer (talk) 01:58, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

@Totalstgamer I’m not saying we should remove any information, I’m saying we should move it to a new section and call it ‘Biography (summary)’, allowing the actual lead to be expanded, although given the convention I suppose the status quo is acceptable Alexanderkowal (talk) 02:12, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

I think the lead should just be the first paragraph plus a second paragraph on his politics that is factual and balanced (not done by me, I’d be too biased) Alexanderkowal (talk) 03:21, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

There's no practical reason to do that though. The lead's size is appropriate for the Article's, and there's no real reason to introduce a new section. I say we keep the status quo Totalstgamer (talk) 12:55, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

@Totalstgamer I really think the first half of the paragraph on his relationship with Trump should be relegated to lower down in the article, and in its place have a paragraph on his politics and brand of Zionism which contrasts the polarising views people have of him. This would segue nicely into the bit summarising controversies. Alexanderkowal (talk) 13:16, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

The reason I say this is that the status quo means people are left to make assumptions on his politics based on his relationship to trump Alexanderkowal (talk) 13:18, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

I accept that the length of the lead is conventional Alexanderkowal (talk) 13:17, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

I think the part of the lead about Netanyahu's views and relationships is kind of poorly structured tbf. His relationship with Trump is probably not that important and his general views + criminal indictments matter more. I don't really want to write a new paragraph from scratch but id love to hear how you think it could be revised. Totalstgamer (talk) 14:11, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

@Totalstgamer I think “Netanyahu… Arab states.” should be scrapped or relegated to further down. In its place perhaps start with how his supporters see him, contrasted with how opponents see him, followed by a neutral sentence on his brand of zionism. This will then segue nicely into the criticisms on settlers that’s there already in my opinion Alexanderkowal (talk) 14:19, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

I think that's a good idea. Feel free to make those changes and i'll give my input Totalstgamer (talk) 15:11, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

@Totalstgamer I’m not really knowledgable about Israeli politics and society, I also think I’d struggle to park my bias. Do you feel able to write it? Alexanderkowal (talk) 15:14, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

I'll write it within the next few days if i have time. Totalstgamer (talk) 17:32, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

Thanks Alexanderkowal (talk) 17:39, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

Mother's name?

How come Tzila Segal is not listed as mother in the biographical on the right? Blueberryfiddles (talk) 22:55, 2 April 2024 (UTC)

Improper sentence

In a description of economic reforms, there is a sentence that includes "minority stakes ...49%". This sentence has no verb. 71.62.43.59 (talk) 13:09, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

Fascist and war criminal

Multiple israeli news media have called him a fascist and he is commiting a genocide and apartheid on the palestinians 86.114.247.130 (talk) 05:43, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

Your point being? If he was not a fascist, he would not be elected. Dimadick (talk) 22:02, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

He would be,no one may have known what he was planning beforehand, so some may call him a fascist. Bortak42 (talk) 13:33, 21 May 2024 (UTC)

His point is it is a noteworthy enough point to be included somewhere in the article. 31.223.87.15 (talk) 16:59, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

How u attack Iran

first Israel is be silent 2407:9E00:12:FC57:BC28:7A33:C006:BA76 (talk) 07:59, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

The Butcher of Gaza

It should be noted that the Turkish President Erdogan duly called Benjamin Netenyahy “the Bucher of Gaza”. :) 188.57.121.177 (talk) 15:04, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

Please provide sources that would indicate this is a noteworthy detail. Totalstgamer (talk) 18:00, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

It took me less than a minute to type and search for it:

• https://news.sky.com/video/israeli-prime-minister-netanyahu-is-the-butcher-of-gaza-says-turkish-president-erdogan-13018879
• https://www.al-monitor.com/originals/2023/11/calling-him-butcher-gaza-turkeys-erdogan-unloads-netanyahu
• https://www.lemonde.fr/en/international/article/2023/11/29/erdogan-calls-netanyahu-the-butcher-of-gaza_6298295_4.html#

There are more sources obviously. This should suffice. 188.58.66.119 (talk) 15:34, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

None of those indicate that this is noteworthy *as a biographical detail of Netanyahu*. This seems like itd fit more in Erdogan's page under opinions or on the page for Israel-Turkey relations. Totalstgamer (talk) 18:10, 12 May 2024 (UTC)

You have a good idea, it should be in the opinions section but in Netanyahu page too. There should be an opinion or criticism section in the article about Netanyahu and Erdogan's statement should be quoted there, but not only. And this can also be mentioned in the Gaza crimes section. Bortak42 (talk) 13:25, 21 May 2024 (UTC)

Journalist Chris Hedges in substack featured a stunning artistic interpretation of Netanyahu dressed in a bloodied butcher's apron with a knife, and headlined "Israel Reopens the Gaza Slaughterhouse". Also republished at Scheerpost: https://scheerpost.com/2023/12/01/chris-hedges-israel-reopens-the-gaza-slaughterhouse/ 24.114.80.209 (talk) 20:53, 22 May 2024 (UTC)

Consider adding it under his genocide crimes in Gaza or under the criticism subtitle. 31.223.87.15 (talk) 16:56, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 30 April 2024

Change ..."raised in Jerusalem and Philadelphia..." to "...raised in Philadelphia..".

One cannot be raised in two different places halfway across the world in the first 19 years of their life. He was raised in Philadelphia before going to Tel Aviv to join the IDF.

Also please site the reference for his birthplace. There is no objective evidence showing he was born in Tel Aviv. 45.48.132.107 (talk) 07:44, 30 April 2024 (UTC)

 Not done Kindly provide sources to establish the reason to change the subject. ☮️Counter-Strike:Mention 269🕉️^{(🗨️ ● ✉️ ● 📔)} 17:00, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

MIT chaos

article indicates he spent less than 2.5 years on his bachelors (yom kippur war break) followed by 1.5 years on a masters. but later on says that, thanks to a double load, he got his masters in 2.5 years. how so? it's either 1.5 years as written, or 4 years, if "total time" (incl bachelors) is intended.

this is especially confusing since the final year(s) were also spent "concurrently" starting the harvard phd. where he ultimately got NO degree, correct? current wording makes it sound like the masters actually came from there.

ALSO...did he change his name to ben(jamin) NITAI or NITAY? article has both. 2601:19C:527E:56C0:51C7:6CCC:927D:F680 (talk) 14:54, 12 May 2024 (UTC)

Lede

Please do not remove the lede too long tag before addressing this issue. Clearly, the lede is overdetailed and needs a good trim. Makeandtoss (talk) 11:40, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

Include suspected war criminal in the first sentence?

It seems highly important for people to know how he is likely a war criminal. In the Heinrich Himmler article it includes how Himmler was the main architect of the Holocaust. They are relatively similar people, although Netanyahu probably has more power, so it should be treated as such. Maxsmart50(talk)

Suspected war criminal currently at large

Poll: This should be in the first sentence if the ICC arrest warrant is confirmed. 217.155.107.143 (talk) 12:43, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

The ICC has not yet issued an arrest warrant, unlike what recent edits suggest. The ICC Chief Prosocuter has only filed a request to be reviewed by the judges of the ICC (which if approved) would then issue the arrest warrant. 86.44.82.22 (talk) 12:57, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

nevermind that was fixed 86.44.82.22 (talk) 12:57, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

Definitely should not be included in the first sentence even if were an actual warrant as opposed to a warrant request. Closhund/talk/ 13:22, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

Yeah maybe first paragraph. LegalSmeagolian (talk) 20:24, 26 May 2024 (UTC)

He needs to be widely characterized by reliable sources as a "suspected war criminal currently at large" in order for Wikipedia to use that exact wording. Wikipedia cannot say controversial and potentially defamatory things like that if they are not widely supported by reliable sources, per Wikipedia:BLP. JohnR1Roberts (talk) 13:24, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

Even if the arrest warrant was issued, this is not something for the first sentence. He would need to be convicted of war crimes and widely characterized as one first for this to be changed. Mellk (talk) 18:47, 21 May 2024 (UTC)

I think it's a bit absurd to say that he hasn't been "widely characterized" as a war criminal given the historic and international protests against his government. As for credible sources, plenty of humanitarian organizations have been clear about the apparent crimes against humanity happening in Gaza including UNICEF and Amnesty International. To quote this NBC article,[1] ""Biden's response was deeply disappointing," Kenneth Roth, the former executive director of Human Rights Watch, told NBC News in a phone interview on Tuesday. "There was nothing 'outrageous'," he said, about Khan's decision to apply for arrest warrants "at all."" Frankly on the face of the direct primary evidence available to the public at large (footage, accounts from evacuees, etc), I don't think one can honestly say there is a shadow of a reasonable doubt that there are large scale crimes against humanity occurring in Gaza. Whether the line should be at the top of the entry is another matter that I don't feel qualified to speak on but w/r/t wide characterization by reliable sources I'm pretty sure this case easily clears that bar. Phriendx (talk) 20:17, 21 May 2024 (UTC)

Yes, there are plenty of people protesting (and maybe a number of commentators?) who call him as a war criminal, but there is WP:NPOV. It would not be correct to say that most reliable sources, and given that this is WP:BLP would need to include very high-quality sources, outright call him a war criminal. This is probably in part due to him not being convicted of war crimes by a court. Of course, there are people as you mentioned who would like to see him face court but this is different and more of a matter of opinion rather than a statement of fact. Mellk (talk) 09:21, 22 May 2024 (UTC)

Arrest warrant

We need to include the recent info that a warrant for his arrest has been issued for crimes committed against humanity: 15,162 children, 10,018 women and counting. 31.223.77.194 (talk) 02:11, 21 May 2024 (UTC)

Demented comments about the state of Palestine

In response to Spain, Ireland, and Norway’s recognition of a state of Palestine, Netenyahu said, “to recognize a Palestinian state is a reward for terrorism.” His demented comments should be included for reference. 178.240.192.201 (talk) 14:34, 23 May 2024 (UTC)

Edit request

There is an error in redaction at the beginning of second lead paragraph. Second sentence in paragraph should read (changes in bold):

He returned to Israel in 1967 to join the Israel Defense Forces and served in the Sayeret Matkal special forces as a captain before being honorably discharged.

Could somebody please change it? Thanks--2800:2503:4:DEA7:1:0:C9BA:5F63 (talk) 23:39, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

 Done MadGuy7023 (talk) 23:45, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

His real name is Mileikowsky ?

When i do Google search his name was coming as Mileikowsky (Polish Name) Ricky.martin2786 (talk) 20:24, 16 June 2024 (UTC)

His father's name was Mileikowski: he changed it. It's not Netanyahu's "real name." It's covered in the article. Acroterion (talk) 21:04, 16 June 2024 (UTC)